Coltri MCH-6 Vaporware?

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zider

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So what happened to the new compressor block from Coltri that was supposed to upgrade the MCH-6 (aka Icon)? Migrating to a 3-stage system with almost 5cfm would be fantastic, but the planned design was released almost 3 years ago with no updates since. Has anyone spoken with Coltri representatives and received some sort of update? Is this redesign dead in the water or still moving forward? Thanks in advance to anyone who has info on this topic
 

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What kind of performance ?
More flowrate? Flowrate increase of 40% 6m3/hour => 8.4 m3/hour ?
Less noise ?
Less weight ?
Less filter ?

Seems vaporware ...
 
So what happened to the new compressor block from Coltri that was supposed to upgrade the MCH-6 (aka Icon)? Migrating to a 3-stage system with almost 5cfm would be fantastic, but the planned design was released almost 3 years ago with no updates since. Has anyone spoken with Coltri representatives and received some sort of update? Is this redesign dead in the water or still moving forward? Thanks in advance to anyone who has info on this topic
I emailed Coltri about it who said to contact the UK dealer, then talking to the UK dealer at the Dive Show they had never heard of it. It would be a great little unit if it ever appeared, and hopefully be much cheaper than the MCH8 type units which must be expensive to produce and are way more expensive than the Icon
 
I emailed Coltri about it who said to contact the UK dealer,

then talking to the UK dealer they had never heard of it.

Dave you know perfectly well that you need fanboy approval first before making any post in any way critical of Coltri.

Further the approval needs to be countersigned by the said UK importers shop janitor and by the chairman of the British Sub Aqua Club BS-AC. Failure to comply will result in you getting banned.
Criticism will not be tolerated.

You have already caused Coltri to drop the Coltri name and the MCH-6 title requiring all these new and confusing model titles such that even the UK dealer hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Maybe invite him onto the forum. However I understand that may be difficult under the circumstance's.
 
Maybe now would be as good a time as any to discuss further in all its engineering detail in a friendly forum atmosphere why this new designed Coltri 3 stage compressor never quite made it off the ground so to speak and why a breathing air compressor based on an inverted crucifix design is really (from a purely engineering perspective you understand) not the ideal design for the I-Con nee MCH-6 replacement.

I will keep each post short and brief over a number of posts.

1. The 3 stage Piston Sets
 
Zider, where does this pic come from? I find nothing on Coltri's website.

3 stage instead of 4 stage? The 4 stage MCH6 becomes very, very hot. I don't want to imagine how hot a 3 stage version will become.

Plus 40% of performance? So this means 140 lt/min? Again more heat?

Coltri MCH6 is very poor quality, I do not expect the new 3 stage version to be any better.

But still we do not know it this new version ever will appear in real life.
 
Zider, where does this pic come from? I find nothing on Coltri's website.

3 stage instead of 4 stage? The 4 stage MCH6 becomes very, very hot. I don't want to imagine how hot a 3 stage version will become.

Plus 40% of performance? So this means 140 lt/min? Again more heat?

Coltri MCH6 is very poor quality, I do not expect the new 3 stage version to be any better.

But still we do not know it this new version ever will appear in real life.
From the News page on Coltri’s website
 
Oil pump lubrication, Floating third stage piston, sounds like a Bauer Oceanus clone. But still it's a Coltri. I hate Colti "quality".

Do we know a price?

What rpm has this unit?
 
What rpm has this unit?
2300 RPM

Thought I'd add: With a cast iron 3rd stage piston running hot and fast inside a steel liner. if the first part didn't put you off.
Then add that the piston diameters are the exact same diameters as the old Rix SA-6 at 78/32/& 14mm diameters except the Rix was oil less ran 35% slower at 1500RPM and with a longer 31.75mm stroke yet pumped 40% more air.

But running those self same diameter piston "weights" on the new Coltri at 38 stokes per second on a very short 20mm stoke length as an opposing twin inverted crucifix is some Boy Scout fire stick starter idea.

And at each of those 32 strokes per second each of those pistons has to make at each stroke they need to accelerate up from a standing stop then run 20mm down a barrel to come back to another stop at top dead centre having compressed your gas in an oil vapour environment before repeating the process all over again for the next 20 minutes while your cylinder fills.

Now that's 38,180 compression stokes that compressor needs to make just to fill a single 12 litre cylinder.
Wear tare friction and lubrication? what next an oil change every 12 hours to flush out the metal wear particulate. Maybe a new Magnetic filter cartridge and an account with a scrap metal dealer to collect the metal flakes could be the answer. Just saying.
 
I hate Colti "quality".
It get worse much worse simply due to the lack of due engineering diligence when designing the many aspects required for a compressor designed for human breathing applications. Take one example:

In order to extend the mechanical life Coltri made the choice to treat the piston liners with an application called nicacil. Now in the car industry and for those of us who drive a Porsche and use a Rix we don't have to worry but for those who drive a BMW and use a Coltri for example and others it's a problem.

Coltri however have a greater problem and have a responsibility to their customers who are breathing the stuff.

Although Ni–SiC coatings offer superior mechanical properties for race engines, their enhanced Ni ion release in various media such as in the oil carry over, particularly in biological environments including human breathing, and these particles contain significant environmental and human health risks.

Further it is well understood that the release of Ni ions and SiC nanoparticles into ecosystems can lead to detrimental effects in living organisms, raising concerns about their long-term environmental persistence and toxicity. There is enough research around that highlights the importance of adopting safe-by-design (SbD) principles to develop coatings that balance performance with environmental safety. By highlighting the potential ecological hazards of Ni–SiC nanocomposite coatings, All the studies done advocate the development of safer, more sustainable alternatives.

And now some poor sap is going to buy these products coated with this compound and use them for scuba diving, breathing from them and ingesting these toxins and then to tell us they bought a Coltri and have had no problems for the last 10 years. Or others who on this very forum who think ignorance is bliss in the face of repeated advice warnings and concerns for a better healthier alternative consideration.
 

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