Disturbing trend in diving?
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Current courses do not have anywhere near the amount of classwork.
pelan-pelan
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From my experience. Twice I have been on a dive where the dive guide experienced difficulties. Not major, and definitely not due to negligence on their part. But it was good that we had enough skills to look after ourselves and them.
Another example where some "tourist" had received minimal briefing and was flapping around like a lunatic, finning far too close and snagged my regulator hose from behind. She proceeded to tow me by my teeth for some distance as I prepared to switch to my octopus in an orderly fashion but concerned that releasing my teeth would cause my regulator to rebound and do me and my mask a damage. You'd think she would have noticed the increased drag. Fortunately the snag released. When she looked round, I used my vast knowledge of hand signals to convey my discontent.
Then there were the maniacs, who did have some qualification, shot down to some unspeakable depth (where it's dark). The dive guide's rule was not to follow to such a depth so they held level and followed the bubbles coming up from below. The problem was not that the morons tried to kill themselves, it was that they left the dive guide alone. NB Buddy diving applies to the guide as well.
Message - dive guides are not invulnerable and should be treated as buddies that need care. And never mind the badly "trained" people, they can go to Poseidon, it's the other people who they put in danger.
I have made mistakes, or had unforeseen hitches, it was my training and my buddy who mitigated the incident and reduced the severity to a a "learning experience". So the dive experience is not an unpleasant memory. We try to practise our skills either in the pool or on the first dive to keep ourselves "supple" mentally and physically and count that as as good dive. Hope this doesn't sound sanctimonious - because that is the recipe for a right royal c*** up.
Another example where some "tourist" had received minimal briefing and was flapping around like a lunatic, finning far too close and snagged my regulator hose from behind. She proceeded to tow me by my teeth for some distance as I prepared to switch to my octopus in an orderly fashion but concerned that releasing my teeth would cause my regulator to rebound and do me and my mask a damage. You'd think she would have noticed the increased drag. Fortunately the snag released. When she looked round, I used my vast knowledge of hand signals to convey my discontent.
Then there were the maniacs, who did have some qualification, shot down to some unspeakable depth (where it's dark). The dive guide's rule was not to follow to such a depth so they held level and followed the bubbles coming up from below. The problem was not that the morons tried to kill themselves, it was that they left the dive guide alone. NB Buddy diving applies to the guide as well.
Message - dive guides are not invulnerable and should be treated as buddies that need care. And never mind the badly "trained" people, they can go to Poseidon, it's the other people who they put in danger.
I have made mistakes, or had unforeseen hitches, it was my training and my buddy who mitigated the incident and reduced the severity to a a "learning experience". So the dive experience is not an unpleasant memory. We try to practise our skills either in the pool or on the first dive to keep ourselves "supple" mentally and physically and count that as as good dive. Hope this doesn't sound sanctimonious - because that is the recipe for a right royal c*** up.
OMyMyOHellYes
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Nevermind.
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You can rely on them for what route to take, what you'll see, etc. but you should be relying on yourself for safety issues.
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Thanks. I guess my info. was either wrong or things have changed from like 10 years ago when I read that somewhere.I’ve only read the abstracts so I know I’d need to scrutinise the methodologies to make them empirically comparable, but the following sources indicate that DSD fatalities are 0.87 per 100,000 participants, compared to 2 per 100,000 participants for recreational scuba diving more generally.
Mortality rate during professionally guided scuba diving experiences for uncertified divers, 1992-2019 - PubMed
PADI's contemporary Discover Scuba Diving introductory scuba experiences, at 0.87 fatalities per 100,000 participants, have a calculated mortality rate that is less than half that calculated for 1992-2008. The late period's rate improvement appears due either to significant under-registration in...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This is not a PADI class, but rather probably a U.S. Navy class of some sort. They are in fatigues and combat boots, which is not the PADI way of dress.
He forgot to use the sarcasm font. It's probably a Navy Seal or Army Ranger class of some sort. That's my guess anyway.
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