I have been on a lot of boat dives in the great lakes and never seen a yoke valve on a Deco bottle I think that says a lot.
Yoke vs. DIN for stage bottles
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That's it. LOL I think this is the silliest thing I ever read/heard in regard to technical diving. I could introduce you to lots of "truely experienced tech divers" who see a problem with using yoke.
I never had a problem with them on a technical dive but they were such a pain that we even changed all of our student gear over to din when we had a shop. I don't use yoke for anything.
I don't use yoke's either....but in a pinch I would on a slung deco bottle....I need to find that picture of John Chatterton using 2 yokes on a dive off the NJ coast a few years back on his deco bottles, was he in error.
ArcticDiver
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I thought I was agreeing with your statement; however, I probably shouldn't have quoted you because I expanded on the thought.
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I have done big dives (big for me) with 'strangers' before. Usually, but not always, it's based upon a good, perhaps even glowing, recommendation from from the dive shop.
I also do cave dives with 'Instabuddies' with no recommendation.It just depends on what you're comfortable with. But, I find that most cave divers are fairly well squared away and I haven't had a serious buddy related problem. I personally have enough experience and confidence in my skills that it would be very difficult for a buddy to endanger my life, short of outright trying to strangle me underwater. Maybe I can't save him from himself, but that's another issue. That's where the whole self-sufficient diver can be the best buddy argument comes in...
Anyway, this is one of the reasons I chimmed in on this subject because it becomes necessary to mentally evaluate each of these instabuddies prior to the dive. The use of Yoke valves and other equipment I consider to be recreational would be a red flag, requiring further conversation prior to the dive.
If you want to be that diver that everyone has to scrutinize before diving with, then by all means, cling to your Yokes. That's really the main point I wanted to make.
I personally have never declined to dive with anyone, at least that I can recall. And, I appreciate all the times others have let me dive with them so that I didn't have to sit out the dive. In those instances, somebody made an allowance for me, so I make allowances for others, if at all possible. Turnabouts fair play...
I think we are generally in the same philosophical arena. I, too, will dive with almost anyone for simpler dives. Of course, what is "big" and what is "simple" is very much open to definition.
If it is by my definition a "big" dive then I want a couple dives with the team that is doing the dive before we actually perform the big one. My experience is that no matter how well trained, even if with similar training backgrounds there are items that just don't get addressed until everyone gets in the water together. Plus, the get some practice together ritual has a way of leveling egos.
I remember a couple years ago when a diver agreed to dive with me while I was visiting that person's area. Wonderful! Then the person made a point of telling me the dive site was chosen because they didn't know me and wanted to check me out in a shallow and tame site. The person was very insulted when I agreed that was a good idea because I didn't know that person either. (Sorry for the awkward language but I really don't want to offend anyone in the process of making a point)
The point is that the most important thing in big dives is the coordination and communication between all divers in the group. That just can't be obtained without some rehearsal dives; no matter the people involved. Everyone absolutely has to understand and respect everyone else in the dive party or the gremlins will strike. Even then what are the agreed response limits when they do strike?
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Just my observation
, but are you telling me that because I use perfectly good reliable yokes on my 2 AL80 stages simply because I don't feel the need to spend the $600.00 or so dollars it would cost me to replace perfectly good regs/valves with Din regs/valves, that your calling into question my committment and skill level. That would be like me saying if you don't drive a toyota like I do, I would question your ability to drive? If someone handed me a blank check, I would probably buy AL80's with DIN valves and Din Regs, but if I'm comfortable with the yokes, and they work for me, why would you go so far as to question my dive ability?
Again, just an observation here, not flaming ya.
You gotta draw the line somewhere... you wouldn't cave dive with someone who didn't have an exposure suit because they're too expensive, or had abraded through the shell on his wing and won't pony up for a new one.
Point is, if you're dropping the dough for all this tech gear you need to do it right. You shouldn't be loading up with a Meg and two SS's with a yoke valve and reg on your bailout if you think yoke connections are unsafe, as DeepSea Explorer does. There are some diver's who think yokes are safer the DIN.
BTW, you could probably get DIN conversion kits and two used DIN valves for $200 easy.
Point is, if you're dropping the dough for all this tech gear you need to do it right. You shouldn't be loading up with a Meg and two SS's with a yoke valve and reg on your bailout if you think yoke connections are unsafe, as DeepSea Explorer does. There are some diver's who think yokes are safer the DIN.
BTW, you could probably get DIN conversion kits and two used DIN valves for $200 easy.
Oh, I have used them. I just don't think it's a good idea so I don't use them anymore.
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I don't agree that they're perfectly "good a reliable".
Most regs have din conversion kits available for them. A couple of kits and a couple of valves wouldn't cost anywhere near $600.
This is a judgement thing rather than a skill thing and I don't know what toyota has to do with it.
daniel f aleman
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Mike, you've kinda' crossed the cognitive dissonance line here.
Yoke is still used by, and preferred by many a tech diver for several different applications. To add to the comment above: my 1968 Mustang has not been relegated obsolete for use simply due to the existence of my 2006 Lexus.
Yoke is still used by, and preferred by many a tech diver for several different applications. To add to the comment above: my 1968 Mustang has not been relegated obsolete for use simply due to the existence of my 2006 Lexus.
I'll take your word for it.
yoke/din...68 mustang/lexus...I'm just not seeing the correlation. LOL
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