When the Moderators see a thread which, in their opinion is getting a bit to out of hand, or too Rude, too "adult", why don't they simply add a note to that thread for all to see, that says something to indicate that the thread has gotten close to being pulled, or someone is close to being banned, that way all the participants, could tone it down, before everything gets bad. it could even be a canned phrase for all Moderaters to insert. It would act as a a "redflag" that we are getting close to the edge in the moderators minds. After reading the thread about Canada, I looks like if that canned message had been inserted, none of what transpired would have occured. MTCW