Would you really know what was going on if your computer went into Deco...?

[Genesis]

Not so. Pure logic dictates that they actually make more money if you don't pass, as the failures will have an incentive to redo the IE.

Now, in the conspiracy-theory-filled world we live in, PADI HQ does certainly benefit from more instructors paying annual fees, but there are logical inconsistencies in how this translates to the Instructor Examiners gaining automatically by passing examinees ...

Without instructors, PADI can't sell any cards to divers.

The conflict of interest is pretty clear. Most of PADI's money doesn't come from the instructor's dues - it comes from the diver materials and card processing fees they sell.

 

[fins wake]

Without instructors, PADI can't sell any cards to divers.

Yes, but what has that got to do with the Instructor Examiners in this particular case? Given the numbers of examinees examined on a daily basis all over the world, there'll be plenty of new instructors even if a vast percentage of examinees are failed. Even if all were failed for the next five years or so, there are just soooo many PADI instructors already out there that there'd be no sudden shortage of courses (or cards) sold to divers ...

So, the question remains, what is this magical incentive for Instructor Examiners to automatically pass all examinees?

So far, the prosecution's case seems to be all smoke and mirrors, M'Lud ... :54:

(Though it is a nice and handy diversion from all the other controversial arguments proposed in this thread so far, and of course, completely off-topic as regards the original topic ...)

 

[Genesis]

Yes, but what has that got to do with the Instructor Examiners in this particular case? Given the numbers of examinees examined on a daily basis all over the world, there'll be plenty of new instructors even if a vast percentage of examinees are failed. Even if all were failed for the next five years or so, there are just soooo many PADI instructors already out there that there'd be no sudden shortage of courses (or cards) sold to divers ...

So, the question remains, what is this magical incentive for Instructor Examiners to automatically pass all examinees?

So far, the prosecution's case seems to be all smoke and mirrors, M'Lud ... :54:

(Though it is a nice and handy diversion from all the other controversial arguments proposed in this thread so far, and of course, completely off-topic as regards the original topic ...)

I disagree.

PADI's stated mission is to live up to their slogan - "The way the world learns to dive."

To live up to that slogan, it logically follows that displacing instructors from other agencies in shear volume is an essential part of the mission.

 

[IndigoBlue]

I disagree.

PADI's stated mission is to live up to their slogan - "The way the world learns to dive."

To live up to that slogan, it logically follows that displacing instructors from other agencies in shear volume is an essential part of the mission.

I am not sure how all of you all got off on a PADI tangent.

Last time I checked this thread, the topic was about not playing with deco and your dive computer.

Last time there was PADI bashing around here, DEE_the_Mod got really unhappy with it. Why not let sleeping dogs lie? What has PADI got to do with playing with deco and your dive computer?

 

[Don Burke]

Would you really know what to do...?

Have you ever done it...?

I wonder if it might be a good idea to intentionally run it over a couple of minutes in the red in very calm and controlled conditions then work off the Deco obligation plus 3-5 minute Safety Stop as well - all as a practice & learning session?

I've asked a few, and the most common response is: "If it beeps, I'll know I have a problem to ask about." :klo:

don

My Oceanic display changes quite a bit when it goes into deco.

Since the leap from a no-stop dive to a required twenty foot stop is pretty long, my answer to screwy computer displays is to go to ten feet and figure it out there.

It hasn't come up yet.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Not so. Pure logic dictates that they actually make more money if you don't pass, as the failures will have an incentive to redo the IE.

Now, in the conspiracy-theory-filled world we live in, PADI HQ does certainly benefit from more instructors paying annual fees, but there are logical inconsistencies in how this translates to the Instructor Examiners gaining automatically by passing examinees ...

Whatever.
I was just responding to the comment some one made about independant examiners. PADI examiners are not independant. I also didn't say that the examiner gained by passing the candidate.

There's no conspiracy. In order for their to be a conspiracy there needs to be more than one entity. Here ther's only PADI.

 

[DandyDon]

I am not sure how all of you all got off on a PADI tangent.

Last time I checked this thread, the topic was about not playing with deco and your dive computer.

Anyway, where was I...?

Given these two possibilities:

(1) Wear a computer, and when someday - for whatever reasons, when it goes into Deco, try to remember what all the numbers and symbles mean, and do the best thing; or​

(2) With very good & calm diving conditions, with a buddy who has done this before and 1,000 lbs of air left to play with, surrounded by good support and even a hospital 1/2 mile away, stay down long enough to develope 2 or 3 minutes of Deco obligation, then do the Deco stops indicated.​

I think the latter has a lot of appeal, but - I don't think I could get an Instructor to help with it, becuase of the liabilities.

Comments on that one....?

Thanks, don

 

[MikeFerrara]

My Oceanic display changes quite a bit when it goes into deco.

Since the leap from a no-stop dive to a required twenty foot stop is pretty long, my answer to screwy computer displays is to go to ten feet and figure it out there.

It hasn't come up yet.

Not me.

I don't normally do any stops above 20 ft. When in doubt I would start stops deeper NOT shallower. Best figure things out way before getting to 10 ft. It's all over but the treatment at that point.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Anyway, where was I...?

Given these two possibilities:

(1) Wear a computer, and when someday - for whatever reasons, when it goes into Deco, try to remember what all the numbers and symbles mean, and do the best thing; or​

(2) With very good & calm diving conditions, with a buddy who has done this before and 1,000 lbs of air left to play with, surrounded by good support and even a hospital 1/2 mile away, stay down long enough to develope 2 or 3 minutes of Deco obligation, then do the Deco stops indicated.​

I think the latter has a lot of appeal, but - I don't think I could get an Instructor to help with it, becuase of the liabilities.

Comments on that one....?

Thanks, don

I don't think either choice makes any sense at all. Not even a little.

I suggested a third choice earlier in the thread. Learn about decompression so you know what the schedule should be and develop the control to be able to dive that schedule (even with problems).

I'd rather talk about PADI than divers going into decompression just to see what their computer do.

 

[Genesis]

OMG, Mike and I agree