Why not DIR ?
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The sad thing is that I (and I think a lot of divers) would love to try DIR as it certainly seems to have some solid foundation but the preception that both DIR and nor-DIR :06: divers create that it is "their way or no way" is like the preception that the media creates of the far left or far right, I just am not far left or far right but I do agree with a little of both. How about we form a group called semi-DIR just for those that want to learn the good but not become engrossed in the argument about what is right or wrong.
Flag? Not sure I understand your point. What I try to do as a diver is conduct myself in the safest manner that I know how. What works for me for 99% of my dives is to dive in a DIR based style. Yes I have solo dived and will likely do so again in the future. If they take away my secret decoder ring well so be itcatherine96821:
My solo dives are either very shallow to take surface picts or on a dive site where I can navigate in less than 3' of vis because I know it like the back of my hand. My preference for not solo diving is based on my personal safety comfort zone and also because I love to share my dives with another person or people. It's not testosterone or koolaide.
Diver Dennis
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OE2X, is using a diver with 30 dives as a comparison for a DIR trained diver a fair one? I mean I use light signals when I'm diving with a buddy and we discuss what signals we are going to use during the buddy check.
Yeah...the light-signal thing is like comparing apples to oranges...OW is a prereq for Dir-f so comparing someone who only has OW with someone who´s taken more classes seems "unfair"...
I bet that anyone who´s taking a cavern course or similar class would respond correctly. Cavern would actually make a good comparison, in my mind, with dir-f. Both classes seem to cover the same thing (I´ve only taken cavern), cost about the same, and take about the same time.
Opinions/Comments?
I bet that anyone who´s taking a cavern course or similar class would respond correctly. Cavern would actually make a good comparison, in my mind, with dir-f. Both classes seem to cover the same thing (I´ve only taken cavern), cost about the same, and take about the same time.
Opinions/Comments?
Dennis,
Fair? Yes and no. The point that I failed to make is that someone who doesn't have or hasn't trained themselves to have solid buddy awareness will not pick up on the light signals. They may also stray from their buddies because they have not incorporated the team ethos of diving. I have seen these occurences with divers of much greater experience. It is likely that I used to fall into that same catagory.
In the earlier mentioned case - mike had been trained and briefed on light skills and buddy awareness. I have dove with him on all his post OW dives and all of those dives were ones where he was in a drysuit, long hose, BPW etc... When this story occured he was task loaded by having a can light and camera.
The gap between a new diver with a camera who has been diving with DIR trained divers to an experienced or independent diver who is hasn't had the team concept put into place, in many cases is not that big. Allow me to further explain what I mean by "experienced" diver - same ocean - same day diver.
Fair? Yes and no. The point that I failed to make is that someone who doesn't have or hasn't trained themselves to have solid buddy awareness will not pick up on the light signals. They may also stray from their buddies because they have not incorporated the team ethos of diving. I have seen these occurences with divers of much greater experience. It is likely that I used to fall into that same catagory.
In the earlier mentioned case - mike had been trained and briefed on light skills and buddy awareness. I have dove with him on all his post OW dives and all of those dives were ones where he was in a drysuit, long hose, BPW etc... When this story occured he was task loaded by having a can light and camera.
The gap between a new diver with a camera who has been diving with DIR trained divers to an experienced or independent diver who is hasn't had the team concept put into place, in many cases is not that big. Allow me to further explain what I mean by "experienced" diver - same ocean - same day diver.
grazie42:
I think my comments are based more at the experienced rec. diver - someone who is AOW, Rescue and perhaps even DM certified.
Another example. A night dive with myself, another DIR diver, an instructor and two DM candidates. The object was for the two DM'ers to lead two divers (us noobies) from a down line at 50' to 100'. The two DM'ers buddied up and took off, leaving their "noobies" alone with the instructor. The instructor seeing this asked us to cover our lights to see how long it would take for them to figure out that we weren't there. My memory is failing, but it took long enough for the instructor to rip both the DM'ers a new one when we got back to the surface.
Postscript: Both of them got their DM certification and at least one of the DM'ers has gone on to get GUE certs. He has by all accounts become an Excellent and model diver.
Diver Dennis
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I dive a lot with buddies that I have met for the first time and are true recreational divers and yes they are on holiday and do carry cameras well. These divers can pick up the light signals. They don't seem to stray although I know some of them do not have training anywhere near DIR.
As you say, he was a new diver who was task loaded. More experienced divers might not be.
I'm not sure I undestood you last point. In many cases, the experienced diver with a camera who has not had the team concept, I assume this means at least fundies, is the same as, or close to, a new diver diving with DIR trained divers? I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just want to understand.
As you say, he was a new diver who was task loaded. More experienced divers might not be.
I'm not sure I undestood you last point. In many cases, the experienced diver with a camera who has not had the team concept, I assume this means at least fundies, is the same as, or close to, a new diver diving with DIR trained divers? I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just want to understand.
I won't make a blanket statement here, but I have seen enough cases where this is true. Each diver is different and unique and their skill sets have to be judged individually.Diver Dennis:
Honestly I was guilty of having poor buddy awareness before GUE. A lot of years diving and a lot of dives.
Catherine,
I don't really like to say that anyone is better than anyone else. For me (and I emphasize the ME here) the 'best' training I can get is right down at GUE less than 30 minutes away from my house.
For other people maybe the best option is through a different instructor or agency.
My list wasn't really meant to be an in your face everyone else sucks type of post. They were just a few sarcastic examples of why people may not choose this agency. I really did not mean to insult anyones chosen path (whatever that may be) or turn people against GUE, so I apoligize if I offended anyone.
I chose this path so I could become a safer diver and have more fun. Thats it.
I'll dive with anyone if they have a good attitude.
-V
I don't really like to say that anyone is better than anyone else. For me (and I emphasize the ME here) the 'best' training I can get is right down at GUE less than 30 minutes away from my house.
For other people maybe the best option is through a different instructor or agency.
My list wasn't really meant to be an in your face everyone else sucks type of post. They were just a few sarcastic examples of why people may not choose this agency. I really did not mean to insult anyones chosen path (whatever that may be) or turn people against GUE, so I apoligize if I offended anyone.
I chose this path so I could become a safer diver and have more fun. Thats it.
I'll dive with anyone if they have a good attitude.
-V
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