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After reading these posts, it looks like the title "dive master" and the term "professional" raise some pretty high expectations. A dive master is not a professional in the manner of a doctor, lawyer, or teacher. The professions require multiple years of college study, one or more degrees, and passing a government-approved exam.

Would we be better off calling the dive master an "Instructor intern"? "Diver's assistant"? or maybe a "Safety monitor"? Got a better one? That way nobody would be expecting a diving Superman.

Hmmm... would you consider an Instructor a professional? In most agencies a Dive Master is an "Assistant Instructor" and can be given significant responsibilities and in some cases can even teach certain specialties.

Some might argue that a dive Instructor is a "professional" and some may argue he or she is not. There is no requirement of multiple years of college, nor is there a government exam. It is peculiar however that you do not have to be a college graduate to teach a college level course (for credit) in SCUBA Diving.

Our local colleges here allow Certified SCUBA Instructors to teach Physical Education courses in SCUBA for between .5 - 1 full college credit. Many SCUBA Instructors do not have college degrees.

Just curious what your thoughts are... so is a professional educator - even one without a college degree - a professional?
 
Hey, buddy. First, I want to wish you all good things for your new shop. I grew up in Baltimore County, Parkville to be exact, and there was one guy who was the King of the divers. You know about him. If you can generate Joe's kind of enthusiasm, you are well on your way.

Anyhow,

Being a scuba instructor or dive master is a relatively new occupation; compared to doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc. Since I started diving, 31 years ago, I've seen the quality of dive instruction vastly improve. However, when I read of divers taking multiple 20 minute dives to help qualify as instructors, that's bothersome. I know some instructor trainers that would not approve of this.

The path to dive master and instructor is a process that is still evolving. As this process can last months rather than years, there may be less oportunity to cull out those who are not ready or able. There are probably fewer reasons to fail people.

As dive master and instructor training continues to evolve, it may well reach the point of ensuring a uniformly high quality of practicioners. I hope so. From what I see and read here, the process has not yet matured to the extent of medical, engineering or legal training. I certainly want the dive master or instructor that I work with to feel that his calling is just as important as a doctor or an accountant. That keeps the improvement going.

Now the fun stuff. Please PM me on how to order the Cressi knife on your website.

Thanks / Stu.
 
I think there is a difference between being a professional and just doing something for a living. And it's not education, or certifications, or licenses.

And Rawls, can you change your avatar back? I like to "watch" the other one better. Yeah Baby! :0
 
As someone who has a full time job to help pay for my diving trips, as a DM I'm just looking to do the best I can with the experience I have. I'm sure there are many others that hold that integity also (I've witnessed MANY good DM's in my diving experiences). So, can I hold up to someone with 1000+ dives? Probably not. But I'll do the best I can with what I do have and what more can you expect?
 
As someone who has a full time job to help pay for my diving trips, as a DM I'm just looking to do the best I can with the experience I have. I'm sure there are many others that hold that integity also (I've witnessed MANY good DM's in my diving experiences). So, can I hold up to someone with 1000+ dives? Probably not. But I'll do the best I can with what I do have and what more can you expect?

Sounds like you got the right idea
 
Since I started diving, 31 years ago, I've seen the quality of dive instruction vastly improve.
That contradicts what virtually every other diver of 30 years or more experience would say, could you expand a bit?
 
That contradicts what virtually every other diver of 30 years or more experience would say, could you expand a bit?

Hey, Thal. I'll try. I still have my NASDS Safe Scuba Diver card. That course was the only training available, to me anyway. It was basic, AOW and everything else there was. After that, a person seeking more training had to teach themselves, or learn from others. Today we joke about the fifteen different PADI adventure cards. That is still a lot better than nothing.

A lot of our training was physical-fitness related. Over at the YMCA, my pal Whitey spent more time swimmimg laps than he sat in a classroom, getting instructon. The idea was physical fitness was the key to dive safety. I still kind of agree, but what he got was mostly not scuba instruction.

And... I still have a 1977 Skin Diver magazine where a person writes that "My instructor taught us fifteen ways to die under water, but no ways to have fun". That was my experience, too. My training was not particularly fun, it was rather military-style. Two years ago my daughter finished up the PADI CD and on-line training, and it was a lot more positive.

The biggest improvement I see is that training is more uniform. Maybe uniformly mediocre, but at least the same all over. I took the NASDS class from an instructor in South Baltimore, and my brother took the same thing from a guy on the other side of town. We shared our notes and found that each of us had learned things that the other hadn't.

So, are there divers being certified today that would fail the training I took? You bet. We were all young and swam a lot, anyway. In that regard, maybe the old timey certification is better, if harder = better. However, the content of course materials and the number of subjects available are superior today.

Thanks for asking, and Merry Christmas.
 
In support of Stu... Training is better than it was 30 years ago... but worse than it was 10 years ago. Still, it is better than it was 30 years ago... Such are the ups and downs of a still budding sport (or hobby) as some would call it. And Stu... I don't know if you know this or not but Joe's brother Harry passed away a couple of months ago. I didn't know Harry that well... but he was a nice man and he will be missed as well... Happy Diving!
 
Hmmm... would you consider an Instructor a professional? In most agencies a Dive Master is an "Assistant Instructor" and can be given significant responsibilities and in some cases can even teach certain specialties.

Some might argue that a dive Instructor is a "professional" and some may argue he or she is not. There is no requirement of multiple years of college, nor is there a government exam. It is peculiar however that you do not have to be a college graduate to teach a college level course (for credit) in SCUBA Diving.

Our local colleges here allow Certified SCUBA Instructors to teach Physical Education courses in SCUBA for between .5 - 1 full college credit. Many SCUBA Instructors do not have college degrees.

Just curious what your thoughts are... so is a professional educator - even one without a college degree - a professional?

Purdu University requires a graduate degree to teach anything including scuba. Obviously the grad degree isn't going to be in diving so I'm not sure that I see the sense in it.
 
Yes and no. There are things you can do as a DM under Instructor "supervision". Nav runs with the students, tours, discover scuba etc. At certain times during the dives it's just you, the DM, and the student. You need to have the same mindset as an instructor at those times...


I'm not saying that DMs aren't responsible for their charges, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that teaching new skills and being aware of one's customers' skills from a safety standpoint seem different to me. My GF always refers to our guides as "Instructors," and I always tell her, "No, they're guides. They are assuming you know how to dive all ready and are there to show us the points of interest and try to help us not kill ourselves."
I understand that DMs assist with some training, but as a teacher, to me there is a world of difference between assisting and being responsible for passing on the knowledge/information. Just to clarify my point. Sorry if I was not clear.
 

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