Why close the valve 1/4 or 1/2 turn???

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Saw the answer once here. Here is the background of the answer.

Yes, it is old school, but it has nothing to do with diving. To this day, I turn all valves on all the way, and 1/4 turn back to keep them from sticking. I do this with water valves as well as gas valves.

The sole purpose is to keep the valve from sticking.
 
DandyDon:
I think the 1/2 turn on problem happens just before the giant stride, mostly. :11: Sneaky.

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Actually that is just the second check. Most of the time they turn on the gas when we get to the site and double check it as they "dress" the divers. Just ask them not to touch your stuff.
 
They forget (or don't) and still touch it. It's part of the routine to move up the line of gear and touch valves.

As for turning the valve prior to splashing. I've seen recreational ops do this. They're holding onto the diver as the diver is about to step off and reach up and twist the valve. That's why I check mine underwater.
 
What's a "roll off"? I thought that it referred (mainly) to cave divers having their valve knob grinding against something, and effectively rolling to a closed/nearly closed position... now I am not sure anymore.
 
piikki:
What's a "roll off"? I thought that it referred (mainly) to cave divers having their valve knob grinding against something, and effectively rolling to a closed/nearly closed position... now I am not sure anymore.

yeah, it is. valves can also roll off on descent or ascent if the valve rubs against the upline though...
 
lamont:
yeah, it is. valves can also roll off on descent or ascent if the valve rubs against the upline though...

Thanks lamont. And now I have to go test if my valves could really roll that easily... considering how hard it is to turn them when I want to...
 
This has been an interesting thread, and an informative one too. Seems like there have been good arguments for both sides of the issue. For what it's worth, here's what I do and why...

- For recreational diving I back off 1/4 turn. I do this because the valve is effectively open all the way and yet there is no strain on the internal parts. The last thing I do before donning my BC is turn on my valve - I leave it off till this point (well, after initial check). As it is only backed off 1/4 turn, if I feel the DM cranking on my valve as I'm about to giant stride then I know that he's busy shutting it off (which has happened). I have never gone in negative via giant stride and therefore I do checks with my buddy on the surface (as well as during the first 15' of the descent). Generally speaking, if you ever go in negative then it'll be a backroll-style entry where there is no DM messing with your valve. I find this to be true because if you have to go in negative it means that all divers need to get in and down together, for whatever reason. Anyway - I teach my students this 1/4 turn method, as well as to check their SPG while breathing the reg - but with the caveat that unless the valve is barely open this check won't reveal a partially closed valve at the surface. It does, however, help to keep them thinking about the life support system strapped to their back. I also teach them to breath while checking the SPG at depth for the same reason. (Though with the advent of sampling SPGs - i.e. digital ones, there is the potential for not seeing a dip in pressure)

- For tech diving that way I was taught wass that you are responsible for your own valves. No one touches them except for you. With doubles the tank valves are open to the stops so that during a shut-down there is no second guessing which way you have to turn them. I was also taught that the isolator should only be opened two turns to facilitate quick isolations - though no doubt there is debate on this. Ironically, I have had a valve jam in the open position on me while on doubles (it was fully open) at depth. Luckily, it was only during drills and even my buddy couldn't budge it.

- As far as roll-offs are concerned, for twins the valves turn in opposite directions and (for me) the primary reg is installed on the right post - meaning it will roll open, not off, during contact with an overhead object. I don't know this for certain, but I would think that roll-offs are somewhat less likely on singles due to the location of the valve.

John
 
JohnnyH:
- As far as roll-offs are concerned, for twins the valves turn in opposite directions

e-what?? as you can see I do not dive with people on dubs... you do not mean one is righty-tighty and one is lefty-tighty???
 
They are, but they are pointing in opposite directions, so the right post (with the rig on) rolls back for on and the left post forward.
 
piikki:
e-what?? as you can see I do not dive with people on dubs... you do not mean one is righty-tighty and one is lefty-tighty???

Naw - both are 'righty-tighty', but since one knob is oriented to the right and one is to the left, they turn in opposite directions to relative to the diver. Dunno if I explained that well enough. If you have a single kicking about, lay it on the ground with the valve knob to the right and see which way it turns on - then roll it over so now the knob points to the left and see which way it turns on...

John
 
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