Thanks for your opinion.
Is this your observations or what you saw around you ?
Regarding the cheaply/poorly built I had the same feeling at first but I don't trust my feeling. After my training I had not the same feeling. I will only be able to confirm/deny after a few years. Looking at what some divers do it looks pretty resistant (Mike Young and Patrick Wiedmann are not very nice with it).
I didn't notice for the ADV mine was working fine. It fires when I was inspiring and rotating on the left at the same time. I acknowledge that and then had no issue.
I did not notice a big difference in WOB with rEvo but I might have been too busy with the course. I did not find any data on this. Do you have some ?
Why don't you like dual scrubber ? For wob?
How have people been able to unlock the tower/loop attachment ? You can see it here and it is pretty solid:
I won't say the same about the head of the canister which is only screwed but I have not heard about any issue on this.
What do you mean by lack of secondary po2 monitor ? I had HUD + Petrel and it is pretty common config.
Another thing is that it says 6.2lbs of sorb on their website but it is more 5lbs which is a great difference :
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It is not for a complete beginner but don't you think it might be aceptable for a ccr beginner ?
I took the sw course with Edd, fully expecting to love it and everything about it. I went in with excitement, especially because everybody that owns one swears it's the best unit ever. On day 1 I immediately starting seeing it's flaws and hoped I'd be able to move past them. Every day of class I liked the unit even less. At the end of the class I had to have a very uncomfortable talk with Edd about why I hated the unit and why I feel (at least for me) it's not a safe unit. I would never feel comfortable diving it in a cave with my wife (which was my plans). Luckily he was great about it and basically charged me for "renting" the unit. So my opinion is based on being trained on it.
Sadly, now that I actually took the course the same people who said it's God's CCR are now agreeing with me about it's downsides. I wish they would have been honest when I was interested in taking the class.
A lesson was learned: I'll never buy a unit then get trained on it. I will always rent or borrow and take the class first before buying. I got lucky that my first unit was perfect for my needs and I have no complaints about it. I was hoping it was going to be the same with the sw.
As to other questions I'll try to keep it brief as I've expressed my opinions in other threads:
-There is no WOB data. It's not CE certified. It's all based on individual's opinions. To me, it breathes like crap compared to my other unit. Like not a little bit of a difference, alot of difference.
-I think the dual scrubbers are inefficient, lead to bad WOB, and personally I hate the fact that it's impossible to dive it and come back with perfectly dry sorb.
-The loop attachment sucks. That's all there is to it. Edd tries to claim that it's the divers' faults, but it's happened to some pretty well accomplished, experienced sw divers. One of Patric's co-workers was one of them, so I'm sure Patric can give all the details. My understanding is between Mexico and Florida there have been over 10 incidents of the loop disconnecting on a dive. I don't have actual numbers, just what I'm told.
-ADV at least on the unit I had sucked. It fired at the worst possible time, but didn't fire when you wanted it to. I've talked to multiple sw divers who agree. It's one of the reasons it's often plugged with a blank.
-The standard configuration is one computer. It doesn't come standard with any secondary p02 monitor. When I took the class (edd knew I'd be buying a unit from him) I wasn't given the option of getting a unit with a secondary p02 monitor. Since the death on the sw in Ginnie, more and more instructors and divers are pushing to have the secondary p02 or hud become standard.
-Yes, they completely lie about scrubber capacity and don't care.
-To me it is a unit that should be considered for someone with ccr experience, not a brand new ccr diver
Lastly, the sw has become popular for two reasons: 1) it's a social media darling 2) it's a very good money maker for instructors. Patric is a prime example. He talked badly about it for years, but suddenly changed his mind. He claims to have seen the error in his ways. Many that know him very well say the reality is he saw the business opportunity it brought, especially when it easily pairs with the stealth.
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