Where to find 3 attributes for the 20 Divemaster Demo Skills?

[TMHeimer]

Peter, That's an excellent point. It's been 5 years since I viewed the OW video the one and only time (didn't think to use that one to start my collection). In looking at the OW manual, the descriptions and pics. of the skills there don't really show to DM level how to demonstrate them. And in comparing my 7-8 other videos to the corresponding manuals, I've noticed that the info. is almost exactly the same in each case. So, I'd assume the OW video is not super-slowed down on each skill as a DM demo should be. Interesting.

 

[Simon-]

I have just done mine (dropped 12 points in total), and the main thing was doing the skills slowly with very deliberate movements.

You could have a look here for some videos of the demonstrations


PADI IDC & Divemaster Pool Skills Circuits

 

[dhuskins]

The OW video has the skills. My CD told me that if I did it EXACTLY as shown on the video, I would likely fail. Not because the video is wrong, but rather, the presentation is much too fast, and does not take the time to emphasize what is critical to the skills success.

The Go Pro section of ScubaBoard has the twenty skills described in various posts/threads.

 

[TMHeimer]

I have just done mine (dropped 12 points in total), and the main thing was doing the skills slowly with very deliberate movements.

You could have a look here for some videos of the demonstrations


PADI IDC & Divemaster Pool Skills Circuits

My adobe is weird now so I can't view the videos, but this would seem to be exactly what I was talking about. If the videos are showing demonstration quality I wonder why this would not be in the DM Crewpack as well.

 

[TMHeimer]

The OW video has the skills. My CD told me that if I did it EXACTLY as shown on the video, I would likely fail. Not because the video is wrong, but rather, the presentation is much too fast, and does not take the time to emphasize what is critical to the skills success.

The Go Pro section of ScubaBoard has the twenty skills described in various posts/threads.

That's what I thought the OW video was like. Of course, the students are given the demo. quality versions by the instructor, so that video is simply showing them what they'll be doing. Plus, it's in the book.

 

[Peter Guy]

My CD told me that if I did it EXACTLY as shown on the video, I would likely fail. Not because the video is wrong, but rather, the presentation is much too fast, and does not take the time to emphasize what is critical to the skills success.

So the question (to me) is, Why didn't PADI "Do It Right" when they made the video and show the skills "in demonstration quality emphasizing what is critical to the skill's success?"

 

[AndyNZ]

The lack of any such list/video has struck me as "not right." Assuming there is some value in having the demonstrations be done slow, exaggerated and with very specific points highlighted, why aren't they done that way on the OW video?

Two questions, the first is answerable - not sure about the second.

In anything other than a very general sense, the "critical attributes" of a skill will vary entirely depending on how the skill is done. Well, I say "skill".... I should say "how the performance requirements is achieved".

PADI never really say how a performance requirement needs to be achieved, just what needs to be achieved. Take "deep water entry" from CW2, for which the PR is something like "In a controlled manner, enter water too deep to stand up in".

Here, almost every instructor teaches a giant stride for this and will 'ping' DMTs for doing something different in their skill circuit, even if the DMT does a good entry using another method!! But even the critical attributes of the giant stride will vary - so I would tend to emphasise the need to have some air in the BCD, but not overly full. And I would tend to get a diver to signal OK after the entry..... both of which go out of the window if you have a negative entry for a drift dive. If that is the environment in which you teach, then the critical attributes would be to have no air in the BCD at all and to ensure group contact under the surface.

Bottom line with demo-ing skills, it just needs to be slow and made to look easy. The latter is as much about positioning as anything else - take mask clearing for example, some people push the top of the mask against the forehead using a single hand in the middle of the mask.... nothing wrong with that, and it works for many students, but having your hands in front of your mask blocks the students from seeing how easily you can slowly clear the water from your mask.

As for your second question, Peter.... no idea. I don't show the CW preview to students and haven't actually watched the way the skills are done in ages. I recall that whole section being exceptionally painful.

 

[bearbear]

Go to you tube and type in "demonstration quality scuba skills". A number of short video clips come up (the one I liked was utilla) you can watch. They will not give you the same detail or allow you to ask questions but are good for review after doing skills with a instuctor.