What's the hand signal for "you all" or "we all"

[tbone1004]

@Diver0001 it's the lack of consistency within their own hand signals. You make a T, then you make a fist, then you actually signal what your pressure is. What is the logic of not just giving the actual pressure?

 

[tursiops]

stop=hold. I don't know anyone who actually uses the "stop" signal.

No, that's not the point. Stop is not equal to Hold.
And lots of people use the Stop signal and NOT the Hold.
Except in cave diving. Sometimes.
Lighten up, dude, there's a big world out there.....

 

[Diver0001]

@Diver0001 it's the lack of consistency within their own hand signals. You make a T, then you make a fist, then you actually signal what your pressure is. What is the logic of not just giving the actual pressure?

I was taught palm vertical and fingers for 1-5 and palm horizontal and fingers from 6-10. Signalling 120 bar is "pressure" (a two handed sign) followed by one finger up and two fingers horizontally in a chain.

For a recreational diver they do "pressure" and then a T and then 2 fingers. Also a chain. The difference is in that they need two hands to make the sign. You're making this sound like it's a matter of life and death because you don't personally like the signs but in actual fact aside from the T being made with two hands we're not talking about an earth-shaking difference in communication provided everyone is on the same page.

I sincerely follow your point about consistency but I can't appreciate the attitude. That's what I'm trying to get across here.

R..

 

[tbone1004]

No, that's not the point. Stop is not equal to Hold.
And lots of people use the Stop signal and NOT the Hold.
Except in cave diving. Sometimes.
Lighten up, dude, there's a big world out there.....

what is your differentiation and why? what does stop mean to you and what does hold mean to you? why do you need both?

 

[Patoux01]

Aside from the fact that the diver in the picture is not actually diving, these are signs that every European diver would understand.

You wish. This conversation routinely pops up in France, and guess what? You do 20km to go from one dive club to the other, and it's taught differently. The main agency there doesn't even have standardization apart of the very basic signs. Heck some of them even disagree on how to signal "out of air" apparently, even if the signs are pretty close.

As an example, you can look here Les signes en plongée at "je suis narcosé", nowhere near "i am narced" on the other sign list Arborfield Amphibians SAC - Underwater Signals - during dive 3
Same with "i'm cold" ("j'ai froid"), and that "50" happily becomes "I pulled the reserve bar" (j'ai ouvert ma reserve) ie "I have 50 bar". Therefore, someone signing "half" + "50" will say "I'm at half pressure, I'm at 50", which well, makes a lot of sense.

Furthermore, using "half" as "100" is a bad idea, what happens when you have people diving different tank pressures? (eg 300b and 232)

 

[tursiops]

what is your differentiation and why? what does stop mean to you and what does hold mean to you? why do you need both?

Read the NACD description in post #18 again (or maybe for the first time). I can't say it any clearer than that. HOLD is a command signal and must be returned. STOP is a bit less that that. HOLD seems to be used more for movement, STOP more for actions that are taking place. It is useful to have the distinction. "STOP tying off that line." "HOLD your position and don't move forward." I've seen STOP followed by HOLD...very clear, absolute instruction.

 

[tursiops]

Furthermore, using "half" as "100" is a bad idea, what happens when you have people diving different tank pressures? (eg 300b and 232)

I agree completely. I really like it when a dive guide says something like, "When you get to 1500 psi, or 100 bar, give me a signal like this:" and they show you what they want, which might be the "half" sign or something else, but it was discussed in advance, and meets the needs of the dive.

 

[tbone1004]

@tursiops I have honestly never seen stop used in a cave. Everyone uses the "GUE" interpretation and for what you said as "stop" we use a "no" command which is a single finger wagging back and forth.

 

[tursiops]

Everyone uses the "GUE" interpretation

There you go again. Not everyone, not everywhere.

 

[tbone1004]

There you go again. Not everyone, not everywhere.

that should have been understood as cave divers based on the sentence prior to that.

I still have yet to hear a good use for the stop signal, and any real justification on a mandatory two handed signal for "half pressure" and uses a closed fist for 50 bar vs. just giving the actual pressure.

I don't care that it's done other places, I want to hear why