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I wonder if people are deterred from learning to dive when they discover the reality of the rigor and time requirements of the process?

Wonder no more. The answer is "absolutely". Many people simply WANT to buy a certification card and they are willing to put their life at risk for saving a little money and a little time.

The most successful shop around in our area offers..... let's call them "accelerated" courses. They do the whole OW course in 3 pool sessions of 90 minutes of which I personally witnessed that about 1/3 (on the whole) to 1/2 (in the first pool session) is not used. (ie. under 3 hours submerged). Particularly the first session can safely be described as chaotic.

Students are not taught neutrally buoyant, they are taught in large groups and (again, from personal experience) sometimes *literally* dragged through exercises so it could be ticked off without even understanding what it was they were supposed to be learning (this depends, of course on the instructor doing it). At one point they hired two instructors from Thailand who were accustomed to teaching "resort courses" so the staff could learn efficiency tricks from them. One of those instructors told me straight up that even working in a resort in Thailand he had never seen OW done at such a high tempo before.

Needless to say their first OW day can also be described as chaotic. Personally I find the transition from the pool to OW in our conditions a challenge with max 4 students who are well trained in confined. With 10 poorly prepared students and 5 staff in the water their approach means, frankly, that the lead instructor can't even see everybody, let alone be in control of the situation as 1/2 of students are energetically plowing through the bottom.

For full disclosure I tried teaching this course twice. After the first attempt I was shocked and dismayed at the result of the pool sessions and declined to participate in the OW part. I said not a single one was ready and the lead instructor declared that they were ALL ready..... All of those students were certified. Not a single one of them could dive. During the second attempt I threw in the towel after the first pool session and walked away. I had a big fight with the lead instructor on the street outside the shop after we came back from the pool because he laid into me about being too slow and doing things (like swimming) that were unnecessary and not dictated by standards. As an instructor I was (and still am) convinced that it's not a question of whether or not this approach will lead to a serious accident but when.... The discussion escalated and I walked away without even debriefing his students. He said that it wasn't fair to do that so I said I would debrief them but that my debriefing would consist of telling them that they needed to a walk away if they wanted to live or to ask for their money back. At that point he got really angry and I just took my stuff and went home. I haven't spoken to him since that day, which is unusual for me because I usually try to resolve conflicts like this within a day or two of it happening. This time was one of the few times in my life that I just let that ride and burned a bridge.

Nevertheless they persist. The owner of the shop is a VERY good entrepreneur by any standard. He knows his stuff and has really hit a chord with potential customers because this course sells -- as bad as it sounds when I describe it from an instructor's perspective -- like pancakes. People WANT to just "get er done" and are even willing to pay MORE money (per hour) for this kind of training than they do for qualitatively much better training.

To give you an idea of how bad this has become....where I work now the amount of time in confined is a minimum of about 6 1/2 hours submerged (as opposed to their 3+) with extra pool sessions costing €20 as opposed to their €50. We do 5x 2 hour theory sessions with students even though they take e-learning..... They do only the tests even though students do self-study (not even e-learning as far as I know). Our group sizes are capped at 4 with an instructor and a DM present at all times whereas they normally run courses with 10 students and a couple of instructors (in the pool) and add some DM's in the OW part. Our course costs €50 more but takes 2 weeks longer to complete. The difference in quality is substantial but because it takes 2 weeks extra to complete, the shop I'm describing certifies +/- 500 OW divers per year and we do about 80 (not 100% sure of the numbers anymore).....for almost the same price but at the cost of two weeks of extra effort.

And THAT is how customers look at this. For €50 and two evenings of their life diving in a pool they will gladly -- and in large numbers -- put their lives on the line..... I don't get it and to be frank at this point, as an instructor, I'm not willing to give up any more ground in this discussion. I've given up too much already. As soon as I have finished training my daughter I may give up instructing altogether.

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I think discover scuba should be done in the shallow end of a pool for one hr max teaching basic skills like mask clearing reg recovery reg clearing so on and so forth as well as a bit of fun but no deeper then 4 feet after that first class then if still interested students should sign up
For a full class with at least 20hrs of in class and 10hrs minimum in pool to get the skills down properly
 
... many swear by it and say if it weren't for Discover Scuba they wouldn't have become divers.

This is likely true for me. My brother has been certified since the early 90's and I have always said that I wanted to join him, but never got it done. Then, last November, my wife and I went to Hawaii and she booked us a Discover Scuba dive. The next month, after we returned home, we began our OW certification course.

Had I not so thoroughly enjoyed my time underwater last November, I doubt I would be certified today. It probably would have been pushed back and pushed back until it was too late.
 
Related to this, I sometimes find myself annoyed when you try to tell a non-diver about what you do. Often the response is something like, "Oh, that's cool, my brother went SCUBA diving in Mexico one time." In discussing this issue with an instructor friend, he said that he feels like many people equate diving with going a resort and doing a zip line. You pay your money, let someone else hook you in, and away you go, all safe and secure. Far too many non-divers fail to grasp that becoming a diver takes time to develop real skills.
 
I think discover scuba should be done in the shallow end of a pool for one hr max teaching basic skills like mask clearing reg recovery reg clearing so on and so forth as well as a bit of fun but no deeper then 4 feet after that first class then if still interested students should sign up
For a full class with at least 20hrs of in class and 10hrs minimum in pool to get the skills down properly

Discover scuba used to include doing some basic skills. These days if we're doing it in a pool then students are told that if they have a problem then should just swim to the surface.

On the one hand I get it. It's an experience thing. It's done in a couple of metres of water and it is mostly designed to warm people up to the idea of taking a diving class.

On the other hand, if you're starting OW in shallow water and very carefully leading them through how to clear a mask and a regulator because it's a SAFETY thing... then why is it suddenly NOT a safety thing because it's a DSD?

I've been doing quite a few DSD's lately because the local pool we work with has been selling them as part of a party package...... having done so many I've gone back to the way it was. I don't teach mask and regulator clearing as thoroughly as we do in the OW course but I don't just throw people in the water with a scuba set on their back and say "have fun". I've tried to find a happy medium of spending +/- 10 minutes on some basics before we go diving...... with as a result that the DSD's go better and more people sign up for OW.

R..
 
Related to this, I sometimes find myself annoyed when you try to tell a non-diver about what you do. Often the response is something like, "Oh, that's cool, my brother went SCUBA diving in Mexico one time." In discussing this issue with an instructor friend, he said that he feels like many people equate diving with going a resort and doing a zip line. You pay your money, let someone else hook you in, and away you go, all safe and secure. Far too many non-divers fail to grasp that becoming a diver takes time to develop real skills.

I think the reality is that many people think of scuba diving they way they think of paragliding or parachute jumping.....

The total expanse of time between deciding I wanted to try paragliding and being in the air with an instructor was about 20 minutes. I was as some kind of gathering of paragliding nerds with a friend of mine and some random guy said to me, "dooyoowanna tryit?". 20 min later I was 100+ meters in the air with an instructor in some kind of special 2 person harness.

Same thing for people who want to try hot-air ballooning or spelunking or Jet ski or 100 other activities. The first time I went spelunking was in a cave in Canada. I showed up in the morning at 8:00 because I had found a brochure and thought it sounded cool. The "instructor" gave me some gear and told me to put it on and at 9:45 we were spelunking.... for 6 hours.

It was really good... like REALLY good.... One of the best 1 day excursions I've ever had.... but THAT is what people want when the sign up for scuba diving too.... and we can't deliver that.

R..
 
.... the point being that if you get your fat ass stuck in a restriction while spelunking (.... I may be speaking from personal experience ....) then (a) you will probably laugh about it instead of flying into a blind panic and (b) you have all the time in the world to figure out how to wiggle your booty through that.... Scuba diving involves a very different risk profile and we can't compete with those kinds of activities on a level playing field.

R..
 
Related to this, I sometimes find myself annoyed when you try to tell a non-diver about what you do. Often the response is something like, "Oh, that's cool, my brother went SCUBA diving in Mexico one time." In discussing this issue with an instructor friend, he said that he feels like many people equate diving with going a resort and doing a zip line. You pay your money, let someone else hook you in, and away you go, all safe and secure. Far too many non-divers fail to grasp that becoming a diver takes time to develop real skills.

I think you have identified the disparity: The difference between going diving and being a diver.

It used to be that the only way to go diving was to become a diver first. Now, you can easily just go to a resort and go diving.

Is that really a problem? I don't know. Just "going diving" is obviously more risky (if you're not already a diver). But, are lots of people dying or getting hurt from doing that? I don't know. OTOH, are more people becoming divers as a result of first going diving and finding that they liked it? I think so. Are more people developing an awareness of diving, even though they don't go on to become divers? I think so. Are those two things good, overall? I think so.

To me, it compares a lot to motorcycling. Lots of people have a motorcycle. Few of them are really motorcyclists. The former are the ones having the most accidents. Does that mean we should change the way motorcycle driver licensure works? Should we make it where you can't own a motorcycle or ride one unless you go through a LOT more training to really become a motorcyclist and not just someone who owns a motorcycle? I don't think so. I think we should treat adults like adults. Make sure they've been advised of the risks, give them the basic instruction, offer them advanced instruction, and let them decide for themselves how to proceed.
 
When teaching an OW scuba class, I start in the shallow end of the pool with showing how the gear works I then have them inflate the BCD and swim around on the surface for a while as they breathe through the regulator. I then have them dump air from the BCD, go under, add a little air to the BCD, and swim around for a while. I then tell them they have learned to scuba dive, thank them for coming, etc. It draws a good laugh. Then I tell them that what they had just done is pretty much is all there is to scuba diving, assuming nothing goes wrong. For the rest of the class we will be working primarily on dealing with things that can go wrong.

The experience that led me to completely change how I approached OW instruction was teaching pool based Discover Scuba classes. I would have the DSD students (often children having a birthday party) in the classroom for about 20 minutes, then we would go into the pool--shallow end followed by deep end. The goal was to have fun under water. Once I got them into the deep end, we just swam around doing fun things until the time was up--total time including the classroom was 2 hours.

My revelation: the people in the two hour DSD class looked more like skilled divers at the end of that session than did my OW students at the end of the full confined water sessions, which usually took about 8 hours in addition to the classroom time.

I realized that the problem was that the OW class (at that time--it's changed) had almost no required time for students to be neutrally buoyant. They did pretty much the whole confined water class on their knees, and when they did the OW dives, it was often not much different. Consequently, it would not be surprising for a DSD student to feel like they learned in that short time how to dive, and they could easily look better doing it than someone who went through the entire class.

I then started my first experiments with getting students off their knees and doing the entire class while neutrally buoyant, and the difference by the end of the confined water sessions was enormous. Of course, most OW instructors refuse to believe that, and they still teach the entire class on the knees. That is why it is indeed possible for a DSD graduate to look and act like a more skilled diver than someone who is newly certified..
 
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Wonder no more. The answer is "absolutely". Many people simply WANT to buy a certification card and they are willing to put their life at risk for saving a little money and a little time.

The most successful shop around in our area offers..... let's call them "accelerated" courses. They do the whole OW course in 3 pool sessions of 90 minutes of which I personally witnessed that about 1/3 (on the whole) to 1/2 (in the first pool session) is not used. (ie. under 3 hours submerged). Particularly the first session can safely be described as chaotic.

Students are not taught neutrally buoyant, they are taught in large groups and (again, from personal experience) sometimes *literally* dragged through exercises so it could be ticked off without even understanding what it was they were supposed to be learning (this depends, of course on the instructor doing it). At one point they hired two instructors from Thailand who were accustomed to teaching "resort courses" so the staff could learn efficiency tricks from them. One of those instructors told me straight up that even working in a resort in Thailand he had never seen OW done at such a high tempo before.

Needless to say their first OW day can also be described as chaotic. Personally I find the transition from the pool to OW in our conditions a challenge with max 4 students who are well trained in confined. With 10 poorly prepared students and 5 staff in the water their approach means, frankly, that the lead instructor can't even see everybody, let alone be in control of the situation as 1/2 of students are energetically plowing through the bottom.

For full disclosure I tried teaching this course twice. After the first attempt I was shocked and dismayed at the result of the pool sessions and declined to participate in the OW part. I said not a single one was ready and the lead instructor declared that they were ALL ready..... All of those students were certified. Not a single one of them could dive. During the second attempt I threw in the towel after the first pool session and walked away. I had a big fight with the lead instructor on the street outside the shop after we came back from the pool because he laid into me about being too slow and doing things (like swimming) that were unnecessary and not dictated by standards. As an instructor I was (and still am) convinced that it's not a question of whether or not this approach will lead to a serious accident but when.... The discussion escalated and I walked away without even debriefing his students. He said that it wasn't fair to do that so I said I would debrief them but that my debriefing would consist of telling them that they needed to a walk away if they wanted to live or to ask for their money back. At that point he got really angry and I just took my stuff and went home. I haven't spoken to him since that day, which is unusual for me because I usually try to resolve conflicts like this within a day or two of it happening. This time was one of the few times in my life that I just let that ride and burned a bridge.

Nevertheless they persist. The owner of the shop is a VERY good entrepreneur by any standard. He knows his stuff and has really hit a chord with potential customers because this course sells -- as bad as it sounds when I describe it from an instructor's perspective -- like pancakes. People WANT to just "get er done" and are even willing to pay MORE money (per hour) for this kind of training than they do for qualitatively much better training.

To give you an idea of how bad this has become....where I work now the amount of time in confined is a minimum of about 6 1/2 hours submerged (as opposed to their 3+) with extra pool sessions costing €20 as opposed to their €50. We do 5x 2 hour theory sessions with students even though they take e-learning..... They do only the tests even though students do self-study (not even e-learning as far as I know). Our group sizes are capped at 4 with an instructor and a DM present at all times whereas they normally run courses with 10 students and a couple of instructors (in the pool) and add some DM's in the OW part. Our course costs €50 more but takes 2 weeks longer to complete. The difference in quality is substantial but because it takes 2 weeks extra to complete, the shop I'm describing certifies +/- 500 OW divers per year and we do about 80 (not 100% sure of the numbers anymore).....for almost the same price but at the cost of two weeks of extra effort.

And THAT is how customers look at this. For €50 and two evenings of their life diving in a pool they will gladly -- and in large numbers -- put their lives on the line..... I don't get it and to be frank at this point, as an instructor, I'm not willing to give up any more ground in this discussion. I've given up too much already. As soon as I have finished training my daughter I may give up instructing altogether.

R..
...and these are the people that get turned loose onto a reef, then they wonder why all the delicate coral is being destroyed.
 
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