What is the deepest you can do an OOA?

What is your deepest OOA possible?

  • 40'

    Votes: 19 16.4%
  • 60'

    Votes: 23 19.8%
  • 80'

    Votes: 16 13.8%
  • 100+

    Votes: 59 50.9%

  • Total voters
    116
  • Poll closed .

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Interesting topic. Submariners have been practicing the "submarine escape" ascent since the 1930s. At the sub base in Groton Conn. they used to have the "escape tower" that was 100' feet tall and would jetison cold, wet recruits up the tube to see if they could do it. They took down that tower many years ago due to the impracticality of escape from a sub at 300 plus feet during the cold war. They went to a simpler procedure of just learning how to do it from a pool depth with the escape hoods.

Over the past 6 years both the US and British Navies had been collaborating on an escape procedure from as deep as 600 feet, but this is with an inflatable suit bag that turns into a personal life boat.

The general procedure for a sub escape is to don a hood called a "Stienke Hood" it is inflated and the escapee will float to the surface at a rate of approx 150 feet per minute exhaling all the way. Because the escapee has only had a few minutes gas load at depth (going from 1 atm in sub to ambient in escape hatch) decompression is of little issue however gas embolism is still a major concern.

Back to diving

CESA and BESA for the most part are last ditch procedures when nothing else is left. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that in full gear you would be lucky to make it much past a 60-80 foot travel distance and that is if you are:

Aware, Trained, and keep your crap together.

My good dear friend Tony died in August 2000 from an emergency ascent from 110 fsw. There was probably no one who has his stuff together more than Tony. **** happens.

Out of air is NOT an option. Plan your dives to have enough gas so that YOU survive every time. If you think you can rely on the CESA or BESA to save your *** you might have a disapointing afternoon.

Be careful out there.
 
JS1scuba:
Out of air is NOT an option. Plan your dives to have enough gas so that YOU survive every time. If you think you can rely on the CESA or BESA to save your *** you might have a disapointing afternoon.

Be careful out there.

So true indeed. It's fairly simple to avoid OOA and the easiest way is to be consious of your gas supply. Luckily most every diver I know is equipped with a simple device to measure this gas supply, it's called (for those who don't know) an SPG. Every SCUBA shop sells them... I think SJ1scuba has a shop that sells them too for anyone who doesn't have one. ;)
 
The other prevention procedure is the habit of actually checking the device you mentioned howarde...
 
airsix:
Telling divers they shouldn't use CESA is like telling fighter pilots that they shouldn't use parachutes because they are dangerous.


what a bad metaphor...

it's more like telling pilots to plan their flights so they don't run out of gas and have to rely on their plane's gliding abilities to make it home

yeah, it could be done. but is it desirable?
 
Tigerman:
Well, then were talking a controlled swimming emergency ascent and that shouldnt be done from more than 60 feet..
Soooo... what is your other option?
 
Soggy:
Why would you allow yourself to be in that position?

I myself never have. I've always had my pony on the deeper dives even if diving with a buddy. But howarde is making me wonder if a pony is not needed. He makes it sound like it's easy to swim up when sh_t happens and you have no air or buddy. Going to see some day what happens when I do a CESA. Till then I rely on pony as backup. Buddy would be my second backup.
 
H2Andy:
what i am saying is that it seems to be that if you start out too deep or with not enough air in your lungs, there will come a time as you ascend that the buildup of CO2 can not be overcome by breathing out slowly



ah!

that makes sense
Except it is my understanding that the body responds to fraction of CO2 not PPCO2 and the fg of CO2 is actually increasing on ascent not decreasing.
 
ok, you just want to ruin my life, right?

;)

i did a quick search and it looks like it is PPCO2 that matters ... but ... i really don't know
 
fishb0y:
Soooo... what is your other option?
How about making sure you dont have to make one?
Theres a few things youll learn about in the deep dive courses you can do to prevent it ;)
 
Wake up Alice! OOA emergencies happen. You can't just say "don't run out of air". It's not suppose to happen, but it does. It happens all the time! It's never happened to me, but it could. There is no excuse to not be prepared for it.

If you are ever in a situation where air is no longer available at depth what are you going to do? You going to just sit there? No, I bet you head for the surface, and if you've had proper CESA training you've got a better chance of making it there alive. It won't guarantee survival, but it will increase the likelihood.

People who are OOA head for the surface. People with CESA training head for the surface safely.

-Ben
 

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