What is a buddy team???..In reading other

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threads, I see people referring to a 'buddy team'....Now don't get me wrong, I have a good idea but someone in the know, please give me the exact skinny on a 'team'...Is it something 'they're' teaching these days in OWC classes???(haven't been around any formal classes since '93 when our yougest was cert)..If it's what I'm thinking of, I hope not..........I'll hang up for now & listen.......thanks..........
 
A good buddy team means never having to say.... "WHERE THE *&)(*&)(*$%#&^ IS MY BUDDY!?!?!?!?!?"

Then there is subtle communication part that comes from diving together that makes you a good team

And lastly I would say that you guys have both compatible dives styles (hunt together, look at the tiny fishes together, etc) and having matching personalities.

I believe that having good self and buddy rescue skills also makes a good buddy team.

This is not even close to what a lot of people will throw out as a complete list, but these are the important ones to me.

diver 85:
threads, I see people referring to a 'buddy team'....Now don't get me wrong, I have a good idea but someone in the know, please give me the exact skinny on a 'team'...Is it something 'they're' teaching these days in OWC classes???(haven't been around any formal classes since '93 when our yougest was cert)..If it's what I'm thinking of, I hope not..........I'll hang up for now & listen.......thanks..........
 
my Def. is 2 to 3 people I dive with that know they are to stay together during the dive. if you get to 4 people its 2 buddy teams.
 
Training here is often referred to a buddy team.

You train to work as an independent pair. You dont have DMs, sheep hearding or follow-the-leader here so divers are expected to work as a team/pair.
The boat will take you to the dive site. Other than that, its your problem to discuss/solve.

They are responsible for planning their dive, checks, dive conduct and everything else. Working together. A "pair" abroad is often just someone they met 30 seconds before jumping in to do a dive planned and led by someone else.
 
TEAM Diving is more than just an instabuddy. It is a buddy or buddies that you train with, have basically the same gear configuration, have the same training skills, have the same mind set. Train together. Basically your TEAM is a well oiled machine. You never have to look around for your dive team. When **** hits the fan, your team reacts without hesitaion.

Dive management is all part of the TEAM diving. Each member knows what is what and where things are what mixes they all are using. Basically you act as one

As an insta buddy you never know what your gonna get...the box of chocolate theory...;)
 
diver 85:
threads, I see people referring to a 'buddy team'....Now don't get me wrong, I have a good idea but someone in the know, please give me the exact skinny on a 'team'...Is it something 'they're' teaching these days in OWC classes???(haven't been around any formal classes since '93 when our yougest was cert)..If it's what I'm thinking of, I hope not..........I'll hang up for now & listen.......thanks..........
An analogy...

Consider an infantry squad setting out on a combat patrol. Each member of the squad has an assigned role to play in the activity. Each member of the squad is similarly equipped and uniformed - each knows what the others carry: where the spare radio batteries are, who has extra claymore mines or 40mm ammunition. Each is familiar with the route, the rally points, the area of operations, the withdrawal route, and ancillary navigational requirements. Each knows the supporting arms fire plans, who to call on in case of compromise. In the event that the squad is ambushed, they react as one team - they have rehearsed their response activities to provide the highest probability of survival for all members of the squad together. In the event that a squad member is hit, the med evac process is well known by all members and well rehearsed. They are cross-trained such that if one member goes down, other members can use the gear being carried by the stricken member to provide for the safety of the entire squad. This is a group of individuals who function as one entity because they have pre-planned and rehearsed actions to a point where each knows what to do when foreseeable emergencies might occur. As each member has the same training and equipment, same capabilities, same ability to communicate and react, they all provide security for one another simultaneously.

Contrast that to a group of 4 or 5 guys who set out on a backpacking trip. Each packed different stuff. Some were prepared, while others packed candy, wine, or an espresso maker. No one knows exactly what the others have with them. No one brought a satellite phone or GPS. No one thought that their cell phones may not work everywhere along the trail. There is only one map. Perhaps one has used a compass, but if he falls off the trail and breaks a leg, no one else knows how to use the compass. If a rockslide occurs, or a bear attacks, or a blizzard strikes, no one particularly has thought about carrying the two or three wounded guys out, or has made preparations for leaving them behind to seek help. So when issues arise they must be solved on an ad hoc basis, using whatever may be at hand because there was no concerted effort before the trip to try to sit down as a group and plan for responding to challenges. They didn't train together. They don't know the same techniques or skills. There was no effort to obtain first aid training, CPR, or other skills collectively. As no effort was made to ensure any consistent or cohesive planning, capabilities, communications, or equipment, they are not a team, merely a group of individuals running around reacting in different ways with different means.

If you were going to go on a series of extremely challenging efforts, in an extremely hostile and challenging environment, which of these two groups would you prefer to go with?

The first group, that has trained and pre-planned to think, behave, and react as a team?

Or the second group, who simply find themselves together at a place and time, but who are basically comprised of an ad hoc collection of individuals who each will react by thinking only of and for themselves?

Which group stands the better chance of bringing the entire group back successfully?

Thats the difference between a dive team and a gaggle of individuals. ;)

YMMV...
 
I was trying so hard not to make that analogy. Well said.

Doc Intrepid:
An analogy...

Consider an infantry squad setting out on a combat patrol. Each member of the squad has an assigned role to play in the activity. Each member of the squad is similarly equipped and uniformed - each knows what the others carry: where the spare radio batteries are, who has extra claymore mines or 40mm ammunition. Each is familiar with the route, the rally points, the area of operations, the withdrawal route, and ancillary navigational requirements. Each knows the supporting arms fire plans, who to call on in case of compromise. In the event that the squad is ambushed, they react as one team - they have rehearsed their response activities to provide the highest probability of survival for all members of the squad together. In the event that a squad member is hit, the med evac process is well known by all members and well rehearsed. They are cross-trained such that if one member goes down, other members can use the gear being carried by the stricken member to provide for the safety of the entire squad. This is a group of individuals who function as one entity because they have pre-planned and rehearsed actions to a point where each knows what to do when foreseeable emergencies might occur. As each member has the same training and equipment, same capabilities, same ability to communicate and react, they all provide security for one another simultaneously.
 
Very well stated, Doc.
 
Right on, Doc.

Not doing the big dives, I think of it like dance. You dance with somebody you've practiced with, who's trained the same way you are, and the whole thing is graceful and elegant and without conscious thought. You dance with somebody you've never danced with before, who maybe learned somewhere else and was taught differently, and the whole time you're stepping on one another's feet and the experience just isn't very satisfying.

I took a wreck diving workshop and did one day of dives with my husband (with whom I don't dive very often) and my regular teammate. That night, my husband said to our dinner guests, "It was uncanny . . . They were communicating stuff to one another, and I couldn't even see how they were DOING it." That's what happens when you spend the time and practice to build a team. It's great fun. I think it's also safer, a la Doc's analogy.
 
So, basically most who answered so far agree that scuba is now a 5 or 6 man operation........Ya'll must be planning on bringing back alot of B.B.'s filled....Come on folks, don't make this into a war.....We all are cert. divers, act like it, this is not a war we're entering everytime a mouthpiece is blown thru.......I guessing I missed out on the UW .45's we're supposed to carry when HTH combat breaks out @ 45 ft(Hey, maybe that's why .45's are used)......lol.......I just don't see it as being this complicated & difficult......Ya'll help me on this one.......I'm used to donning gear, hitting the water, & coming back an hour or so later with good memories in hand......Help out this 22 yr. cert. cajun diver(or as NTP-ie Nick Saban would say, coonass,......rotflmao).....I missed something between dive 20 & dive 910, I guess.......
 

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