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jbd:
I saw that thread earlier and one thing I wondered about is liability. I have no clue what your laws are regarding liability.

The big difference relative to the US is that lawyers are not allowed to work on contigency, and that there is no such thing as punitive damages. The concept of liability is the same, but the financial risks are much less. If I were diving with a trainee and I did something stupid resulting in an injury to said trainee, my liability would be limited to the direct consequences of the injury, according to schedules prepared by the insurance companies. S/he could not get a cent for psychological trauma etc.

As an instructor registered with the Federation, you are covered by a professional liability insurance. As divers participating in the training, we rely on our personal liability coverage.
 
There have been several allusions in this thread to club-based instruction, which is quite common in Europe. I referred to another thread that briefly explains how it works. I just wanted to make a few points regarding both the economics and motivations behind this.

1) Club-based instruction is not "free". Someone has to contribute time and money. How much of the time and money comes from the club members, and how much is contributed by the students, are variable quantities. In our case, we try to have the "quantifiable" costs, i.e. equipment rentals, air fills and course materials, covered by the students. Instructors and other club members contribute their time. There may be cases where the club has its own equipment and compressor, paid for through membership fees, and may contribute this for "free". BTW, we require our students to sign up as club members for a year, and to pay their dues.

2) There is actually something to be gained from training new club members. As mentioned in another post, one common reason for leaving the sport is lack of buddies. The best way to avoid this is to replenish the pool. I have never been unable to make a dive because I couldn't find a buddy.

3) In the club system, instructor training is not free, but it works on the same basis as lower level training, i.e. the trainees cover the direct costs but not the salaries of their instructors. It is clear that in such a system no one is truly a professional, except for a few that make a living from commercial diving, or that train students in a "private" (i.e. non club-based) capacity.

4) The relationship between clubs and dive shops can be uneasy. Dive shops often give club members discounts to attract business, because there is always more money in equipment sales than in instruction. OTOH, clubs are competing with dive shops for students. But in my experience, the dive shops and the clubs to not really attract the same "customers". Those who want to get certified because of an upcoming exotic trip will go to the LDS. Those who want to make diving a regular hobby will go to a club. Our club has had some heated discussions with a for-profit instructor who wanted to send his students to dive with us. We had to decline, because we felt that this would undermine the whole philosophy of club-based instruction. Basically, if you want to dive with the club, you train with the club.

So there is nothing "charitable" about club-based instruction. We contribute our time because we love the sport and want to acquire new buddies. For many of us (not the instructors, granted), participating in the training of a new batch of students is a nice opportunity to refresh our own skills. Now if only my wife could see it in the same light...
 
There are lots of great issues raised in this post. As to the original question, what if instruction was free ... well, it might be free at the point of consumption but that doesn't mean there are no costs and the costs have to be met from somewhere. Hence even the clubs that a few folks have alluded to have fees. BSAC is like that. You pay a joining fee and an annual fee to support the running costs of the club and, they say, you get your instruction for "free." Except you don't. As well as your joining fees, you then have the opportunity costs of your time while you learn. It can take months to learn with BSAC - this is often painted as good, thorough training. Actually, sometimes it is just inefficiency (market inefficiency) because there is no contract between the provider and the supplier.

Anyhow, we could trade economic theories and philosophies all day but ultimately I don't think instruction should be free but I think some of the courses should be more thorough and require more experience before qualification.

Scuba isn't like golf or tennis or other sports where you can still play no matter how bad you are - it can be your life so you need to be good at it. I'd sure pay for that.
 
If everyone who visits the board clicks a couple of times on the ads at the top, does that make it easier for NetDoc to maintain the site?
 
No diving isn't free, but if you want to dive alot, owning is better then renting. But cost issues hasn't been in the top 3 with those I have talked too
 
miesemer:
Yes.

Google doesn't pay to show the ads, they only pay per click.
Oh, i thought they were renting space like most ads in the rest of the world. In that case i will click at least one per day from now on just to add my penny to the pot for Netdoc to maintain this site. ;)
 

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