What are good sources for a PADI Adventures in Diving manual *with hologram*?

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Perhaps a better comparison would be a barber and a scuba instructor - and still, only the barber is usually "licensed" in the USA.

 

[mstevens]

If both an instructor or a Dr has lost their "license" to perform their job you would have them do something that can kill you??

I think you're overstating the dangers of death resulting from an instructor who's let a license lapse.

I really don't know: do dive instructors more commonly have their credentials removed by the organization for cause (endangering students, incompetence, criminal activity), or is it usually for failure to keep current with fees and paperwork? If it's the former, then perhaps the average defrocked instructor is actively dangerous, as might be the case with the average physician whose license has been revoked. On the other hand, practically no physician ever loses a license over simple fee or paperwork issues, so those who've lost licenses might legitimately be viewed as posing dangers. Are we thinking that not having the money to renew instructor credentials means that a dive instructor is safe the week before the credentials lapse and dangerous the week after?

I also think you're way off-base in that if I treat a patient without a license, I go to jail. Are you really, truly of the belief that an instructor who didn't pay a fee yet still taught someone underwater navigation would be at risk of imprisonment as a result? PADI is an organization with no legal teeth. I'm not saying it's not worthwhile, but it's a commercial entity. Many other similar entities also certify dive instructors. There are business processes concerning whether given individuals can hold themselves out as being currently certified to teach or issue credentials under the auspices of any of those organizations, but no legal requirement whatsoever that only someone thus certified can teach someone else scuba.

 

[theduckguru]

If both an instructor or a Dr has lost their "license" to perform their job you would have them do something that can kill you?? Neither one is no longer authorized to do this service.

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Really? I didn't know dive agencies issued licenses. I just thought they issued certificates.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/certificate

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/License?s=t

 

[oly5050user]

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Really? I didn't know dive agencies issued licenses. I just thought they issued certificates.

Certificate | Define Certificate at Dictionary.com

License | Define License at Dictionary.com

"license''sarcasm, get it?

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I think you're overstating the dangers of death resulting from an instructor who's let a license lapse.

Accidents and deaths occur with current, insured instructors. Can happen just as well with people who claim to be instructors but have no actual valid/current certification to teach

I really don't know: do dive instructors more commonly have their credentials removed by the organization for cause (endangering students, incompetence, criminal activity),

Happens all the time example. One example off the top of my head;.David Swain case
There was a recent death of a student who went missing and instructor missed her.Did not realize until it was too late.She drowned. He lost his certification and the facility lost its retail membership due to negligence.

On the other hand, practically no physician ever loses a license over simple fee or paperwork issues,

Sure they do,example; insurance fraud, death/injury of patient from not following accepted medical pratices..

so those who've lost licenses might legitimately be viewed as posing dangers. Are we thinking that not having instructor credentials means that a dive instructor is safe the week before the credentials lapse and dangerous the week after?

Just has not been caught yet.
Not having the current certifications to teach and doing so is unprofessional and leaves him/her liability wise to losing everything they own and the victim with very little to settle for if this so called instructor has little to begin with.No insurance payout here.If they are unprofessional this way, how much professionalism you think you will see in their ability to teach?

I also think you're way off-base in that if I treat a patient without a license, I go to jail. Are you really, truly of the belief that an instructor who didn't pay a fee yet still taught someone underwater navigation would be at risk of imprisonment as a result?

Possible..They portrayed themselves as something they were not, commiting fraud. If victim is hurt or killed due to negligence it can be called negligent homicide.

PADI is an organization with no legal teeth. I'm not saying it's not worthwhile, but it's a commercial entity. Many other similar entities also certify dive instructors. There are business processes concerning whether given individuals can hold themselves out as being currently certified to teach or issue credentials under the auspices of any of those organizations, but no legal requirement whatsoever that only someone thus certified can teach someone else scuba.

true , anyone can hang a shingle and claim to be a scuba instructor..when they cannot issue a certification from a valid recognized agency, and the person paid to be certified, its called fraud. If an accident happens and there is no liability insurance how is the victim/family compensated?

 

[Jim Lapenta]

Perhaps a better comparison would be a barber and a scuba instructor - and still, only the barber is usually "licensed" in the USA.

But Doc Holiday was barber, and a doctor. In the old days the town barber often performed double, triple, or quadruple duty as barber, doctor, dentist, and local gambling hall shark. It's only cause of lawyers that they all now need licenses.

 

[mstevens]

Sure they do,example; insurance fraud, death/injury of patient from not following accepted medical pratices..

If these represent "simple fee or paperwork issues" to you, then you are likely immune to all rational discourse.

 

[boulderjohn]

For those saying there is no hologram below the DM level, it i my understanding that a hologram is required for other courses when they are taught in Mexico or the Caribbean.

 

[theduckguru]

But Doc Holiday was barber, and a doctor. In the old days the town barber often performed double, triple, or quadruple duty as barber, doctor, dentist, and local gambling hall shark. It's only cause of lawyers that they all now need licenses.

Doc Holiday was a doctor of dentistry. He was never a MD.