What a disappointment

[jeckyll]

Ok... a friend of mine just made this post on another board, regarding the same thing... Here's Dr. Sawatzky's article...

http://www.divermag.com/archives/mar99/divedoctor_mar99.html

Very interesting article.

Bjorn

 

[ekewaka]

I've learned to NEVER judge other divers by what they do / don't do etc.
Jeano Beano

How do you judge other divers, if not by what they do / don't do?

 

[jeandiver]

smoking is really bad for you, and it's an addiction. i don't see a need to berate people over it, though ...

if you really wanted to help, that's not the tone to take

Agreed dere Andy.
So is diving into an overhead environment without the right training (being an idiot). There are many forms of idiocy out in the world.
Judging people btw , is kind of a form of idiocy.
(sigh)

Nuff said.
At least for me.

Jeano Beano

 

[LG Diver]

tektom, I have to differ with you.

Smoking sucks. It's a horrible habit; expensive, filthy, foul-smelling, and horrible in its health consequences. Until you have seen someone burn up their face, smoking with nasal oxygen cannulae in place because their lungs are so sick they can't get enough oxygen to survive without an external source, but they cannot quit smoking, you have not understood the horror of this addiction. When you have seen someone whose chief complaint is, "Normally, I can walk from my bed to the toilet, but the last three days, I have to sit on the floor for a while to get there," you begin to understand the power of this addiction.

Studies show it's easier to quit heroin than tobacco. It takes determination to do it, but like all addictions, once you have actually made the decision to be done with it, most people are successful. It's making that decision at a heartfelt level that is hard.

I loathe smoking. I see what it does to people, and to their families. I see the parents who want me to write prescriptions for Tylenol for their kids, so the state will pay for it, because they need THEIR money for the cigarettes I can see in their pockets. But I will not argue that it is easy to quit, because it is not.

Well said. I recently congratulated a co-worker on quiting smoking. He said something that really made an impression on me. He said he didn't quit smoking... he chose to become a non-smoker. The former attitude was one of deprivation, while the latter is one of enablement.

 

[jeandiver]

How do you judge other divers, if not by what they do / don't do?

Er , by how they dive ...
I meant I don't judge other divers by their non-diving activities.

My focus is on cave diving , of course.
I was trained by the cave agencies so my opinion here on a DIR/GUE thread probably doesn't count.

Oh well ... (sigh)

My parents warned me there would be days like this.

Jean
Cave Country bumpkin

 

[H2Andy]

Er , by how they dive ...

 

[PfcAJ]

Maybe I'm a bit rough around the edges, but I can/will/do judge people by their activities when it effects me.

If you disregard saftey above water...I don't think we'll make it below water. The usual caveats apply, of course.

 

[H2Andy]

then why not research their driving records? that's a good indication of safety

do you check their credit reports? that's also a good indication of safety

hmmm... do you give them a personality test to see if they fall within "normal" dive buddy paramters?

do you ask for their medical records?

do you check what prescription drugs they take?

i'm just saying ... seems a bit random to pick "smoking" as the guideline for behavior underwater

is smoking bad for you? no doubt

should every smoker quit right now? no doubt (hint, Jean )

but i'd leave it at that

 

[jeandiver]

Maybe I'm a bit rough around the edges, but I can/will/do judge people by their activities when it effects me.

If you disregard saftey above water...I don't think we'll make it below water. The usual caveats apply, of course.

Probably not.
You can't dive with me anyway...I'm not GUE.
Not DIR or GUE trained. Makes me a stroke.

But if you ever go caving up here , you'll see me down there. And if you need gas in an emergency , I'll still donate my long hose to you. I don't judge underwater either.

Jeano Beano

P.S. Taxi , Take me back to High Springs , I want out of this thread.
Andy , hint taken , of course (hugs).

 

[PfcAJ]

I can dive with you, and I have in the past. About two years ago, actually.

This isn't a GUE vs non-GUE thing, really. I can/will/do dive with whomever I please. And no, being a stroke has nothing to do with GUE/DIR. If you're a safe diver, then you're good to go in my book.