Views on underwater hunting

What do you think of underwater hunting?

  • I am fiercely opposed to underwater hunting

    Votes: 24 13.2%
  • I don't do it myself, but I don't object if others do

    Votes: 48 26.4%
  • I would like to hunt underwater but have never done it

    Votes: 34 18.7%
  • I am an occasional underwater hunter

    Votes: 46 25.3%
  • I am an avid spearfisherman / lobster hunter

    Votes: 30 16.5%

  • Total voters
    182

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I have no opinion on "global climate change" but this struck me as very odd.

We measure global temperatures with satellites, and the temperature is going up, regardless of what various models predict.
How long has the temp been measured with satellites? I would guess a decade or a decade and a half. Not much data there to make a statistical argument either way.

Think of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as a group of 2000 specialists. If 2000 specialists reached consensus that you had cancer, why would you chose to not believe them?
There were NOT 2000 scientists that agreed with the IPCC's "summary". There is in fact NO global consensus on what is happening to the climate much less that it is man caused.

To be on topic, I would love to do a little spear fishing for personal consumption if I lived close to the sea. My sister lives in Pensacola but they are militant vegans so no grilled snapper at sis's house.
 
I will not say the climate is not warming, I will say that I am skeptical that man has had a great deal to do with it or is capable of changing it whether or not man is the cause.
 
This thread went from simple to simply ridiculous.

I shoot fish. I harvest lobster. I harvest scallops. I harvest Stone crab claws. I harvest Blue crabs. I stay within regulations. And I eat everything I harvest. Have a nice day!
 
This thread went from simple to simply ridiculous.

I shoot fish. I harvest lobster. I harvest scallops. I harvest Stone crab claws. I harvest Blue crabs. I stay within regulations. And I eat everything I harvest. Have a nice day!

Finally someone has said something that makes sense.
 
This thread went from simple to simply ridiculous.

I shoot fish. I harvest lobster. I harvest scallops. I harvest Stone crab claws. I harvest Blue crabs. I stay within regulations. And I eat everything I harvest. Have a nice day!

I'm glad you can do all those things. I hope you'll be able to do them in the future, and our kids, and their kids, too. That's why I want to protect our resources.

Is that so terrible?
 
I shoot and harvest on every dive. It is the reason I dive. I eat what I kill. One shot one kill. I do not see what the big deal is with global warming/climate change/ and Al Gore inventing the intrenet? We will all be dead in 2012 when the Myan callendar ends anyway, so why not eat seafood while we can?
Eric
 
It's not MY evidence. It's evidence collected by thousands of trained professional scientists all over the globe who have been studying the issue for many decades.

Could you please provide it then? The problem is that climate modelling is still very crude at this stage... you have to consider this. I don't know if you've ever been involved in large scale modelling but models of this scale are imprecise and limited by technology.

I understand the mechanisms of global warming quite well. It's really very simple: CO2 and Methane trap heat in the atmosphere. This can be proven with a simple lab experiment.

Climate modelling is vastly more complicated than this and the models that they use are imprecise.

Levels of CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere have risen dramatically over the last 50 years. This has been measured all around the globe.

Compared to when? There have been very high CO2 levels in the past compared to now. But it is considered higher now than it has been in the last few million years. But a few million years is nothing compared to the entire history of the Earth.

Global temperatures have been rising. This has been measured all around the globe.

Rising air temperatures have led to melting ice in Greenland, Antactica, the Arctic Ocean, the Alps, the Himalayas, Mount Kilimanjaro, and on and on and on. Melting ice has caused sea levels to rise.

The sea level has been increasing for over five thousand years though... and has risen and fallen in the distant past. What is your point with this? And besides the sea levels are rising because of warming water mostly, not melting glaciers.

In the 70s people were freaking out about global cooling because the temperature in the northern hemisphere fell.

Rising air temperatures have caused average ocean temperatures to rise, causing seawater to expand, also raising sea levels. This has been measured all around the globe.

Yes it is rising but over what time period? It has only been measured for a short period of time. How do you know that this is unusual or something to worry about? And this has been revised before due to poor modeling...


Most people feel a moral obligation to inform themselves about a danger which may threaten their world, or destroy other species or their habitats.

Yes exactly, which is why I have asked for evidence. People should feel an obligation to seek the truth, not just what is the popular viewpoint at the time. You also need to consider a cost-benefit analysis of global warming if it exists - are the benefits greater if we continue to pollute and learn to deal with the earth being hotter, or should pollution be moderated now?

People rarely ask that question though and tend to make snap judgments about what people's response should be, but I think the economics should always be considered.
 
We will all be dead in 2012 when the Myan callendar ends anyway, so why not eat seafood while we can?
Eric

that's impossible i have yogurt in my fridge that clearly expires in 2013!!
 
Mouthbreather1,
I like they way you think. ;-)

Haha. Funny username!
-Mitch
 

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