Views on underwater hunting

What do you think of underwater hunting?

  • I am fiercely opposed to underwater hunting

    Votes: 24 13.2%
  • I don't do it myself, but I don't object if others do

    Votes: 48 26.4%
  • I would like to hunt underwater but have never done it

    Votes: 34 18.7%
  • I am an occasional underwater hunter

    Votes: 46 25.3%
  • I am an avid spearfisherman / lobster hunter

    Votes: 30 16.5%

  • Total voters
    182

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yet it's OK to bag 100 scallops a day if you eat them?

Depends on the location. The scallop bag limit has population considerations behind it locally. Other things, such as scallop dredging are banned now (since 1996), which allowed the population to recover....

I take your overall point though. There is so much waste associated with commercial fishing and there are a lot of species in severe trouble. Recreational fishing is the least of the worries...
 
As much as long-lining and trawling utterly disgust me, the lackadaisical approach to setting and enforcing guidelines for recreational fishing in some places is pretty bad. Case in point: the island of Oahu, where I'm currently living. There are few regulations govern recreational spear, boat and shore fishing. No licenses are required to (saltwater) fish recreationally here. Moreover, only a handful of DLNR officials are available to patrol the whole island, and they can't be everywhere at once.

Since the rules surrounding recreational fishing are a complete joke, having an army of DLNR enforcers on the island probably wouldn't make much of a difference anyhow. Case in point: recreational fishermen/women can take a parrotfish here in HI only if it's at least 12 inches long. Thing is, they don't reach sexual maturity until they're some 14-inches long. In other words, the regulations in place help remove individuals from the breeding pool before they're even able to breed. Some parrotfish are endemic to HI, so in some respects, the damage being done is worse. With many of HI's coral reefs experiencing decreasing coral cover and increasing problems with invasive seaweeds, better parrotfish regulations are even more urgent. Although some consideration has been given to increasing the sizes (some have even argued for a 16-inch minimum, to give the fish a chance to breed), there's still a very a long way to go.

I freely admit that as a treehugging hippie, I'm not a huge fan of fishing in any form. But I do acknowledge that hunters who eat what they catch are actually fishing in the most sustainable manner possible, as long as they fish within the rules, and the rules themselves ensure that fishing can take place sustainably. But if the rules themselves are rotten, or don't really exist, then all bets are off.
 
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On Jeju Island in the Republic of Korea, shellfish and other bottom organisms can be collected commercially only be free diving, and only by a limited number of free diving journeymen (women, actually). Prevents over fishing and provides work for locals. Too much work for me, and I don't like fish, so I'll let someone else be shark bait and I'll pay for fresh sashimi when I'm in the mood.
 
Comments about SpearBoard?

What people may see are the fishing reports, lobster, crab, abalone, scallops, sea urchin, etc.

What they may not see are the families and friends partaking in a great meal together. Read further on some threads for pics of the cooked catch.

California section has tournaments with junior, women, men divisions. So there are families and friends that camp out and cook together.

As with any group there are the trophy hunters, but they are a small precentage.
 
Comments about SpearBoard?

I like it, it has a different slant than scubaboard, there isn't all the emphasis on being the perfect scuba diver. It's all about people doing something they enjoy underwater.

I would have loved to see the scubaboard responses about the guy doing night solo spearfishing dives off his boat. The spearboard replies were along the lines of "how did you do" "where did you go"
 
I don't get your point :confused:
Actually, TMHeimer has a good point. I think his shell-collecting hobby is damned stupid, but if it is not adversely impacting any species or habitat, what business is it of mine and who am I to judge? Conversely, if everybody in the world started diving tomorrow to responsibly take their two-fish* limit and dutifully consume it with their families, it might be more satisfying to your sense of ethics but the fishery would still be depleted and ultimately collapse. Legal, ethical, and esthetic considerations might be interesting topics for debate, but the only logical, objective standard for harvesting seafood is sustainability.




*arbitrary number of fish that I think would collapse a fishery if 6 billion people took each day.
 
...Conversely, if everybody in the world started diving tomorrow to responsibly take their two-fish* limit and dutifully consume it with their families, it might be more satisfying to your sense of ethics but the fishery would still be depleted and ultimately collapse...

So humans should cease eating all together? :coffee:
 
So humans should cease eating all together? :coffee:

Let's be intelligent about this. He had a good point but we're forgetting something here. Bag limits are created on a basis for how many projected people will be hunting. Fish and game services know not everyone will hunt and thus plan accordingly; therefore, depletion is unlikely if and only if laws are enforced. Conversely, people should never stop eating, there's lots of renewable food sources, vegetarian and non-vegetarian alike.
 
I could go out every day and shoot a full aggregate limit of different species of fish and bury them in my back yard as fertilizer then brag on the internet about it, is it right?
What's the difference if the fish are given away for people to eat or buried for the plants to eat? It's all legal right?

All depends on if someone calls themselves a responsible hunter or not. IMO a responsible hunter will only take game they will be using or for their family to use. IMO if you are doing any more then that, you are now not a hunter, but a harvester.

Again, IMO true hunters want to see the species flourish so they are around to keep hunting / catching. Taking a big <insert animal> for a trophy is not a bad thing either. Now going and only doing it for that, again, would go against my beliefs.

A true hunter is a conservationist, practicing WISE USE of our resources.
 
Actually, TMHeimer has a good point. I think his shell-collecting hobby is damned stupid, but if it is not adversely impacting any species or habitat, what business is it of mine and who am I to judge? Conversely, if everybody in the world started diving tomorrow to responsibly take their two-fish* limit and dutifully consume it with their families, it might be more satisfying to your sense of ethics but the fishery would still be depleted and ultimately collapse. Legal, ethical, and esthetic considerations might be interesting topics for debate, but the only logical, objective standard for harvesting seafood is sustainability.




*arbitrary number of fish that I think would collapse a fishery if 6 billion people took each day.

Here we can get back to Darwinian issues.. :D
The "Global Law" would be freedive harvesting only, for personal consumption.
Perhaps 5 to 10% of the world "could" do this effectively, but this same 5 tto 10% does not necessarily live near the oceans or places where the targeted species to consume would be....
Also, the deep ocean would re-stock, as you would certainly not have significant numbers of freedivers out 50 miles from shore decimating the tuna populations, etc.

A small impact would occur in areas near large human population centers, where good reefs and concentrations of targeted species would exist....but again, not a big piece of the world in the year 2010 or 2011, is going to be able to effectively feed their family on a 60 foot reef by freediving. If we go through an apocalypse ( Global Depression and Commercial Infrastructure Meltdown) , a higher percentage could develop the skills after 5 to 10 years..., but there would also be a much smaller population to deal with.....and the fish stocks would also have time to recover during the human disaster.


The seafood industry of today really NEEDS to be completely destroyed..shut down by all Governments, permanently. If all the commercial trawling, longlining etc was to stop, the private sector would never come close to utilizing even a fraction of the ocean habitat being decimated daily by the global seafood industry.
Of course, none of this could happen...governments do not want food distributed at an individual level, as this reduces the power of governments. It is far more effective from a governmental perspective, to control a huge food resource itself, and to control the distribution of it.
Similarly, if individuals were to all grow their own sprouts and algae, and the world was to adopt a raw vegan alternative, this would effectively eliminate one of the most powerful controlling forces the governments of the world have...so don't expect the political forces to ever move toward an end to the commerical harvesting of large animals and seafood.

DanV

p.s.
Personally I am not about to give up on strip steaks and hamburgers....I want red meat 7 days per week, at least 2 meals per day ( breakfast I have eggs), and any vegan that trys to get in the way of this is my "Enemy"...and this is not necessarily metaphorical....I do NOT like the Vegan Nazis.... I do have plenty of close friends that are Vegan, but they don't try to impose their choices on me......act like religious fanatics trying to convert everyone to their belief and their own special miracles( every religion has it's miracles, some vegans are often playing this game as well) :D
 

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