TSandM's thread "value of DIR" got me thinking

[Thalassamania]

I was going to post on this thread for the first time but after reading the nonsense from Headhunter I almost decided against it. Nice move, to the DIR board. Might as well be the Scientology board.

First let me state that I support the idea of the DIR forum. BUT: Moving a thread once started outside of the DIR forum and then deleating posts that retroactively are viewed as anti-DIR is not right.

That said ... I do not dive DIR, but I dive in a community that has a similarly strict view toward practices, procedures and gear. If you want to experience all that the DIR system has to offer you must, with an open mind (and an open skill set) dive the system and gear and dive as part of the team. To attempt to judge it any other way is,IMHO, not only futile but foolish.

 

[DIR-Atlanta]

BUT: Moving a thread once started outside of the DIR forum and then deleating posts that retroactively are viewed as anti-DIR is not right.

In principle, I agree with this. However, you run the risk of starting a flame war in the DIR forum if you don't do this (which someone will then have to police). But if you leave it outside the DIR forum, then the OP isn't likely to get the type of info that he wants from the thread, or at the very least he'll have to wade through a lot of chaff to get the "wheat".

Under the circumstances, there doesn't seem to be any good way to satisfy the OP's request (to move the thread) while simultaneously insuring that it doesn't devolve into a cat fight, due to what's already been posted. People will tend to jump in late, not realize what happened (i.e. where the thread started or why it was moved), and then raise a hue and cry over "forum rules" and "off topic posts".

The only alternative I can think is of is to leave the original thread where it is, and then stub it up in the DIR forum with a link back for reference purposes.

Either way, it's kind of a mess from an administrative standpoint, and makes me glad I am not a moderator.

If you want to experience all that the DIR system has to offer you must, with an open mind (and an open skill set) dive the system and gear and dive as part of the team. To attempt to judge it any other way is,IMHO, not only futile but foolish.

I agree on this 100%.

 

[Thalassamania]

In principle, I agree with this. However, you run the risk of starting a flame war in the DIR forum if you don't do this (which someone will then have to police). But if you leave it outside the DIR forum, then the OP isn't likely to get the type of info that he wants ...

It's a hard spot, I'd say that the OP should have been more careful then. I'm sure the OP is not interested in the whole discussion of move or don't more.<G>

The observation about commercial and PSD divers is right on the money. I suspect that I'll sit in on a Fundies class at some point when I meet the right instructor, just so that I know I'm not missing some critical piece of information.

 

[RonFrank]

As I understand it ;DIR is based largely on equipment and the mastery of diving skills. Please correct me if I am wrong .
From what I have read IMO the DIRf would be a great way to go , But I have no desire to change my gear config., It works well for me and is standard for the PSD's in my area.
My question is this, Are classes available that teach the DIR philosophy without the equipment requirements?
Ray

I'd suggest that a very good jumping off point for DIR study and training is:

1) Read the GUE webpage HERE

2) Get your hands on some material, and read.

3) Find some DIR trained divers, and dive with them if possible.

You can learn a lot of what DIR teaches just by diving with DIR trained folks. They can not enforce configurations, but I think you will find that many believe that a BP/W, long hose, and non-split fins are fundamental for DIR diving, and may push you in that direction.

I'd suggest that if you want to get the most out of a DIR-F class, having some basic finning techniques, and other skills at least in progress would be a good idea. Some of the guys I dive with are working hard at getting it all down in the hopes of passing the DIR-F in one shot. I'm not sure that is necessary, but you will do better if you have at least practiced the finning techniques, breath holds, buoyancy requirements, and buddy skills.

 

[*Floater*]

How about leaving the thread as it was and where it was, but moving a sanitized version of it into the DIR forum. The OP could then decide which he wants to read.

 

[Vayu]

As I understand it ;DIR is based largely on equipment and the mastery of diving skills. Please correct me if I am wrong .
From what I have read IMO the DIRf would be a great way to go , But I have no desire to change my gear config., It works well for me and is standard for the PSD's in my area.
My question is this, Are classes available that teach the DIR philosophy without the equipment requirements?
Ray

This was the original question. I am not familiar with PSD diving but perhaps there is a DIR way to do it. I would like to see comments regarding PSD procedures and how they could evolve in the right hands.

For example, what is the standardized gear set of the PSD divers and what would a DIR team be faced with in a similar situation. A DIR diver following PSD protocol?

-V