TSandM's thread "value of DIR" got me thinking

[*Floater*]

?? I'd say Do it Right or don't expect to do it with my team / my research group

Where did you get the "or don't do it at all" ?

Tobin

"Do It Right - Or Don't Do It !" by George Irvine (PDF)

Note: I don't care how anyone dives, but the 'or don't do it' is sort of the subtext to the DIR philosophy, at least in tech/cave diving, though George has no problem with rec divers as far as I know.

 

[cool_hardware52]

"Do It Right - Or Don't Do It !" by George Irvine (PDF)

Note: I don't care how anyone dives, but the 'or don't do it' is sort of the subtext to the DIR philosophy, at least in tech/cave diving, though George has no problem with rec divers as far as I know.

One has to consider that at the time George Irvine was the director of the WKPP, hence my comment about don't do with me or with my team.

I've never seen any GUE / DIR / WKPP suggesting that worldwide diving should be prohibited if not DIR.

 

[Charlie99]

My question is this, Are classes available that teach the DIR philosophy without the equipment requirements?
Ray

As others have noted, 5th DX (www.5thdx.com) offers a intro to DIR that only requires non-split fins, and a long hose/bungeed backup.

Another good starting point is to go to the GUE website and buy the book Jarrod Jablonski, "Doing It Right, Fundamentals of Better Diving. Lots of good info and things to consider --- discussion on both gear config and things like fitness level, buddy/situational awarenessand, what sort of dive skills one should have for different types/levels of diving. A good $24 investment whether or not you go the DIR route.

Charlie Allen

 

[Doc Intrepid]

My question is this, Are classes available that teach the DIR philosophy without the equipment requirements?

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Read the question above. If you have something to contribute that may clarify an otherwise "yes" or "no" answer, feel free to contribute.

If you have nothing to contribute except your general disdain for all things DIR, your contribution has no relevance to the OP's question.

Rather than allow this thread to go the same way of so many others, further deliberate attempts to turn it into a DIR/Anti-DIR flame fest will result in this thread being shut down.


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[all4scuba05]

My question is this, Are classes available that teach the DIR philosophy without the equipment requirements?
Ray

Sounds like you're interested in the knowledge. Just buy a book on it. The book won't require you to do EVERYTHING it teaches. You choose what you like and what applies to you're diving and equipment. After that, who's better than you.
Like I always say. To each his own.

 

[Adobo]

Actually, after thinking about it, for the benefit of the the OP, it might actually be better to move this thread to the DIR forum. The OP is clearly looking for answers that are DIR specific. All the anti/pro banter isn't doing much to provide info regarding the OP's legitimate question.

 

[Doc Intrepid]

At the request of a respected member of this community, this thread is being re-opened.

If you have something constructive to contribute, please feel free.

If you do not, there are many other threads you may contribute to in other forums.

Future strokaphilic spewage from the aggressively indignant will be nuked.

Thank you.

 

[Don Wray]

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Read the question above. If you have something to contribute that may clarify an otherwise "yes" or "no" answer, feel free to contribute.

If you have nothing to contribute except your general disdain for all things DIR, your contribution has no relevance to the OP's question.

Rather than allow this thread to go the same way of so many others, further deliberate attempts to turn it into a DIR/Anti-DIR flame fest will result in this thread being shut down.


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But PADI Bashing may continue at will right Doc? What a load!!!! Either apply this rule on those occasions or let the people speak!

 

[Doc Intrepid]

Don,

It's Sunday night, and you may be overwrought.

Please show me any quote from any post in this thread, particularly between #29 and your #36, where anyone is bashing PADI and I will be happy to apply severe admonishment and public mockery.

Are you certain you have the right thread?

Doc

 

[Uncle Pug]

Ray,
If you pursue actual DIR training I have no doubt that you will greatly profit from it. While the gear configuration is actually only a small part of the whole it is an integral part of the training and if you are able to use DIR recommended gear you would maximize your experience.

You might find that you would want to change some of your current recreational gear after having taken a DIRf or equivalent... or not... but many do once they have experienced it.

That said, DIR diving is not public safety diving. Not only is the equipment not optimal but the methodology is not conducive to PSD. I have both PSD training (Dive Rescue International) and DIR training (GUE Tech1) and the two are polar opposites in many respects. (My son in law is a commercial harvest diver and is also GUE Tech 1 and he would say the same about those two divergent diving disciplines.)

For recreational diving two of the most important things you will take away from DIR training are the concept of *Team Diving* as opposed to *buddy diving* and *gas management/dive planning* as opposed to *be back at the boat with 500 psi*.

The later you can learn online and/or from books... the former (Team Diving) really needs to be experienced.

Hope this helps.