Try Scuba Accident..what happens next?

[Zef]

I actually have a job that I frequently face that dilemma. I have numerous times told people who were above me "No" and clearly stand my ground when it was expedient to do otherwise. And it's easy when it's not your sister, cousin, aunt, mother or other familial relation and your welfare is at stake.Yeah, it's cost me at least one job and maybe a second. But when they went ahead and things unraveled, my conscience was clear. But what is unfortunate is that is a human being for which you are responsible that pays the cost for the expediency.

insisting that taking a stand is easy, or proper, or even correct is a very first world perspective and does not account for a lot of the realities people in this world face. And when things unravel....well the legal system is not the same in many places as it is in the US....some places litigation is not an issue.

-Z

 

[Protondecay123]

insisting that taking a stand is easy, or proper, or even correct is a very first world perspective and does not account for a lot of the realities people in this world face. And when things unravel....well the legal system is not the same in many places as it is in the US....some places litigation is not an issue.

-Z

There is nothing first world about that perspective at all other than your perception. You can look at Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc (except Egotism, Libartarianism Or Objectivism) and the teaching is the same. Placing your personal welfare above someone else’s life is wrong. Flatly.

 

[Zef]

There is nothing first world about that perspective at all other than your perception. You can look at Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc (except Egotism, Libartarianism Or Objectivism) and the teaching is the same. Placing your personal welfare above someone else’s life is wrong. Flatly.

And Shakespeare wrote: "nothing is right or wrong, but thinking makes it so"

First world, developing nation, and third world are not a religious issues,they are socioeconomic issues.

-Z

 

[divinh]

Every one of your responses is just an attack on anything that you disagree with. You have offered nothing to move the discussion forward.

What exactly do you think you're contributing? You've offered some calculations based on constant air consumption, as if you have no understanding of diving, that air consumption doesn't vary with depth, stress, exertion, etc. Is that how you do dive planning? If not, then why do you think it's a valid way to analyze this incident? Or any other?

 

[divinh]

Yes, yes....that must have been what happened because it is the most plausible way for the tragedy to have unfolded. No fault to the instructor, and we all should vacation in Koh Tao.

The main issue in the incident is that the instructor lost sight of the diver. The instructor had two DSD divers and one OW diver. The OW diver should be self-sufficient. The question becomes whether having two DSD divers to tend to is too much for one instructor. That's the question at hand.

The air issue is just something you're adding, as speculation. The instructor is already at fault and for some people, there's a need to add more blame.

As for painting the reputation of Koh Tao based on a few incidents, where exactly in the world has there been no incidents with tourists that you can point to?

 

[divinh]

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You can talk about agency policies, job retention, and what about..... all you want, but what you are diminishing is one’s responsibility to another human entrusted to their care! The hardest word to say is “No”. At some point you have to realize the dangerous conditions and refuse to enter that environment. Even if money or your job is at stake!

For this incident, did it seem that the conditions were dangerous? The first dive went fine and there doesn't seem to be a statement to say that the conditions changed suddenly. The instructor lost sight of the diver. Perhaps it should be one instructor and one DSD diver only? And the instructor has to be holding the diver either by the tank or hand during the dive?

 

[Zef]

The main issue in the incident is that the instructor lost sight of the diver. The instructor had two DSD divers and one OW diver. The OW diver should be self-sufficient. The question becomes whether having two DSD divers to tend to is too much for one instructor. That's the question at hand.

The air issue is just something you're adding, as speculation. The instructor is already at fault and for some people, there's a need to add more blame.

As for painting the reputation of Koh Tao based on a few incidents, where exactly in the world has there been no incidents with tourists that you can point to?

Yes, everything you have stated is 100% correct and Koh Tao is absolutely a safe place to vacation, does not deserve any tarnishing of its reputation, and everyone should go there to vacation. Plus, you have certainly moved all aspects of this discussion forward in an enlightening way with everything you have contributed, and I, apologetically, have not.

Thanks for straightening me out.

Cheers,
-Z

 

[divinh]

Yes, everything you have stated is 100% correct and Koh Tao is absolutely a safe place to vacation, does not deserve any tarnishing of its reputation, and everyone should go there to vacation. Plus, you have certainly moved all aspects of this discussion forward in an enlightening way with everything you have contributed, and I, apologetically, have not.

Thanks for straightening me out.

No problem.