Training levels - when do you stop?

[Rick Murchison]

Originally posted by Ber Rabbit
I think NAUI pretty much treats the AI and DM as equals with students when working under an instructor. Please correct me if I'm not remembering correctly.

Unless they've changed the rules since I did the NAUI thing years ago the DM and AI are separate ratings. You can get either first, and there isn't a lot of difference, but there are a few things you have to do that are different to go from one to the other. Looks like they've made an administrative error. If *my* memory is right you have to do a bunch of classroom stuff (teaching) in addition to the DM stuff to get your AI (there may have been a teaching situation in the pool too, but I can't remember).
Rick

 

[davidofaustin]

I am going to get the PADI assistant instructor workbook, and see just what all is involved. I do know that there are both classroom and open water scenarios to go thru acting as a teaching proffessional. (Teach the skills) (do the lesson plans)

I have also talked to a PDIC shop, that is real close to home. I must research PDIC 1st though. Cost seems about the same, but I wonder if PADI isnt a lot more recognizable.

I liked the University idea Ber Rabbit!! I will check out the community colleges as well.

thanks guys and gals

Dave

 

[diverjohnz]

if I'm not mistaken naui ranks DM's over AI"s padi is the other way around

Assistant Instructor
Skin Diving Instructor
Divemaster
Instructor

this is off naui's site

 

[davidofaustin]

Instructor :shout:
Assistant Instructor (can teach a couple of tricks)
Virtually every other diver in the world :tongue:
Divemaster :banging:


Or so it seems at times....

I still love my job -- helping people learn to dive (properly)

Dave

 

[padiscubapro]

Originally posted by NetDoc


I am doing NAUI, which agency are you doing???

BTW, I have figured out that -IF- I can do a s-l-o-w continuous crawl that I can beat the clock. As of today, I got to the 200 meter mark (220 yards) so I just have to double it by next Friday. And that was AFTER a pretty intense workout on the machines. Just think that I could only do 50 meters continuously last Tuesday. I think that I am on track to accomplish this by the time I start my class down in Stuart Florida.

Have you seen the latest NAUI standards for entry level divers?? Their swim requirement is BELOW RSTC standards..
I feel sorry for the first instructor that gets sued.. I can just imagine the lawyer for the plaintif..

Mr. defendent did you require a watermanship test before certifying the plaintif.. Yes, I made him swim 2X strokes..

"Your honor here are the standards for the RSTC which the organization the defendent teachs for is a member... "


For all practicality they eliminated it.. I don't have the number off hand but its something like 20 or 25 STROKES!!

I'm not picking on NAUI, I'd just thought I'd bring to light a raging argument on instructors mailing list

 

[NAUTICAL NOBLE]

225 yards non-stop,any stroke plus a 10 min survival swim (tread water) plus a 50ft underwater swim (1 breath) this is NAUI's basic SCUBA divers test

 

[padiscubapro]

Originally posted by NAUTICAL NOBLE
225 yards non-stop,any stroke plus a 10 min survival swim (tread water) plus a 50ft underwater swim (1 breath) this is NAUI's basic SCUBA divers test

What your quoting seems to be the old standards..

I just double checked the messages posted its listed as 15 strokes!! (unless I am reading things wrong- some of the info was posted by a NAUI instructor trainer)If your a NAUI instructor go check your updated standards.. I'm not a NAUI instructor so I can't quote the material directly but there is a raging war about this.

Also I double checked and NAUI isn't an RSTC member but since that represents the majority of certified divers its essentaially the recognized minimum standards.


If your an active instructor join
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/instructorsconsortium/


You must be an instructor and follow the registration procedures to get access, Most of the group cosists of NAUI instructors..

 

[Aquamore]

Hi Dave

It's different for each individual. Stop before you get to the level where you are no longer enjoying yourself.

Remember no-one ever reaches the top at everything so concentrate on the area you like most

"May your Bubbles flow forever upwards"

Aquamore
:wave:

 

[Ber Rabbit]

From the updated NAUI Standards and Policies Manual:

Swimming. Confined or open water, no equipment.
--Demonstrate novice level swim stroke proficiency in any of the following strokes: crawl, side, breast, elementary back or back stroke. Classic stroke combinations are not necessary to meet this requirement as long as forward progress is achieved, e.g. no particular kick or arm action is necessarily required and a lack of either is also acceptable. Students shall complete at least 15 continuous stroke cycles while being evaluated by an instructor. A stroke cycle is considered to be either arm or leg action or a combination thereof resulting in forward movement until repeated.
--Survival swim for 10 minutes.
--Underwater, swim 50 feet (15 m) on one breath with no push-off or dive. The use of weights is permitted for students having difficulty remaining submerged. The use of a mask is permitted for students wearing contact lenses.

That was put in with the revision dated 1-01 that I received in June. My guess is we will be sticking with the original swimming requirements at the university.
Ber

 

[padiscubapro]

Originally posted by Ber Rabbit
From the updated NAUI Standards and Policies Manual:

Swimming. Confined or open water, no equipment.
--Demonstrate novice level swim stroke proficiency in any of the following strokes: crawl, side, breast, elementary back or back stroke. Classic stroke combinations are not necessary to meet this requirement as long as forward progress is achieved, e.g. no particular kick or arm action is necessarily required and a lack of either is also acceptable. Students shall complete at least 15 continuous stroke cycles while being evaluated by an instructor. A stroke cycle is considered to be either arm or leg action or a combination thereof resulting in forward movement until repeated.
--Survival swim for 10 minutes.
--Underwater, swim 50 feet (15 m) on one breath with no push-off or dive. The use of weights is permitted for students having difficulty remaining submerged. The use of a mask is permitted for students wearing contact lenses.

That was put in with the revision dated 1-01 that I received in June. My guess is we will be sticking with the original swimming requirements at the university.
Ber

Thanks I figured someone would quote the standards for me.. My guess is that many people didn't check or didn't carefully their read their update standards.. I know I'm sometimes guilty of the same, sometimes I don't read my updated material until just before I have a class getting ready to start then I double check and make sure nothing has changed that I have to implement..