Tobago...Speyside... BWI

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Hello all
We'retraveling to Speyside for 8 days April 5th thru 13th at the Blue Water Inn. We'll be eating breakfasts and doing 2 dives a day with them. Can any of you give me the most current info regarding walking to Speyside/other resorts for lunch and dinner eats such as pricing..location..specials..etc. I have seen reports stating the walk into Speside varying from 10-25 minutes and as we will be without wheels I'd like to get a feel for that. Also as some of my group are very avid divers we may be interested in booking some afternoon/evening/nite dives. As I understand it the on site shop is not always available to do so. Any recomendations on another charter nearby to do so? Finally, as we will be without transport, any recomendations on stocking up on some staples such as bottled water..snacks..fruit..etc. once we arrive at the resort. Are there markets nearby ( walking distance)? Thanx in advance for any info

Mike
 
Mike, My wife and I go to Tobago at least once a year and sometimes twice... we love it there. You can walk from one end of the villiage to the other in 30 minutes or less. Blue Water Inn is a nice place and the dive shop there is good. We have had the best luck with the Dive shop at Manta Lodge. You will be hard pressed to find anything like a 'grocery store' in town. There are several small shops that can meet your basic needs but you will find a number of quality restaurants at reasonable prices.

Charlotteville is just a few miles away. They have a grocery store and more restaurants. I highly recommend 'Sharon and Phebe's' restaurant there. Sharon is the best cook on the island - someone told me her sister was better but that has not been confirmed by a taste test. Phebes is her beautiful little girl. My wife and I have been there on a number of medical mission trips and Sharon has done a first rate job of taking care of us.

The diving is great on the Speyside end of the island. You will see all sorts of marine life and an incredible number of brain coral. Visibility is good but can very from 40 to 100 feet. It has usually been in the 50 to 60 foot range when we were there but the good news is that plankton is what caused the sub 100 visibility and that brought lots of marine life. We haven't seen a manta ray there but frequently see spotted eagle and other rays. Lots of angel fish... well simply lots of fish.

Bottom line - great diving, reasonable prices and very friendly people.

One last thing - we dove with Extra Divers one time and they were the worst company we have ever used. They were great on the other end of the island but their dive master was arrogant and rude. I would not dive with them again.

If you make it to Sharon's restaurant tell he hello from Bill and Debbie from Houston. Enjoy your trip.
 
bfuqua about got all the points, I'll add....

The dive op at BWI is... well... a lot of things. Understand that the vast majority of visitors to the BWI are well-heeled British bird fanciers. This is certainly the case in comparison to most visitors to Tobago, even more so on the Speyside end of the island.

You simply can not beat the BWI for creature comfort, the view and ambiance. The view of Ian Flemming's house alone is worth the price of admission. The restaurant service is predicatbly molasses slow and the quality level is not at a par with their price structure.

Breakfast however is a delight. Get up early and soak up lots of coffee and toast while feeding the tiny hovering birds off of your upheld spoon, laden with honey or jam. some other guests treated them as filthy annoyances, but for me, the magic of these little critters superceded any health fears. Life in Tobago, most certainly in Speyside, is quite slow- you're going to have some time to kill.

Their dive op, again, is geared toward their standard clientelle. Two tanks in the morning will likely take until 11:45 a.m. as they do not do multiple tank boat dives. They have the best pier (the only one in the area) and probably the nicest boats. They see most guests once a day for one tank, or one in the morning and one late afternoon. They threatened a night dive, but never delivered (on two separate trips). If you want to do four a day, it will kill you, and there will be no time for a lunch at the property, but it can be done.

To get to the bustling metropolis of Speyside, you must first hump up and over quite the entrance hill to the BWI, than as you descend back to the city lights of Speyside, it should be a 20 minute walk to the town center. Mind the trolley cars and goats. ;)

You have entered the bustling city center plaza. It is definitely a tribal kind of place, life runs a slower pace in the last bastion of pure Rastafarian lifestyle. I find the honesty of it all quite inviting.

The first operation you will see is the one everyone knows, the Manta Lodge. If nothing else, go in and look at the exotic bar rail... it's a huge green Manta carved into the bar. It is a noisy guest house packed with divers. It has a nice efficient dive op that, like all others besides the BWI, you have an easy wade into the surf to board up their boats.

As you go along the road, and it is a road only in the sense that cars do occasionally come by, you will see Speyside Lodge, a quiet guest house of note. Right next door is my favorite dive op, RedMans. This is not for everyone. One look at the pea gravel floor of his thatch roofed hut and you'll understand. If RedMan and his son Leon decide to take you diving, they'll size you up for a few dives before they will consider taking you to their best places for hunting Mantas. Since the liveaboard showed up, they skeedaddle when divers show up because there was quite a rodeo mentality when it first began a few years ago. Now, you have to earn the chance. Where he will take you is not for the feignt of heart or those lacking in dead-on current diving skills. This is the guy who pioneered dives like Washing Machine, Heart Attack, African Express. When I started diving with him, the only other expert was Man Friday, and he was waahed out to sea on the occasion of my second trip. Red Man is the old hand, but again- not for the "I got my AOW card so I'm all set" kind of diver. Walk in and book him when you show up. Like the "town", he's pretty tribal as well.

I do all my night dives with him. I take my groups to him after we sort out the divers. People with a sense both of humor and for adventure~ they go with this large lovable creature.

It is in this srrip and beyond that you will find various restaurants. At lunch, be sure to arrrive in time for "hot Roti", a tradition from the slave days that wraps a tortilla shell around Garbanzo beans, curry sauce and those typical indecipherable pieces of Caribbean Clucker. Yummy.

The closest grocery is waaaaaay over the twisty switchbacks that divide the NE from the NW tip. In Charlottesville it does well because this area is the only place for large yachts to drop anchor and re-provision.

Most Caribbean islands I counsel absolutely against driving a rental car. I make the exception for Tobago. This island is meant to be explored. The trip alone from the airport is two hours, and the rental of a Samurai for the week comes close to offsetting the cab ride transfer from the airport. The roads are superb but not illuminated or reflectorized, there are precipitous cliffs and switchbacks, but if you go slow like I do, you'll likely enjoy the versatility of that Samurai.

Really- rent a car.
 
Wow...Thanx for all the great info. We are traveling with a group of 10 and the transfers were included in our pricing already. I personally love the idea of having a rental to do island exploring on my own time..we've done so on Cayman Brac ...what a great way to offgas. The three of us that are hardcore (more than one or two tanks per day) divers are A Divemaster,Instructor, and course director who are all tec-mixed gas certified with about 12000 dives between us. The currents we normally dive run 8-12 knots ..hehe..so some of the Redman dives you mentioned are most appealing. I'll try and look him up early in our stay and see if we can work out a few tanks through the week.
 
The currents we normally dive run 8-12 knots.
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Then Tobago will be a walk in the park for you. What- you dive under waterfalls? That's an 11.5mph current... in Michigan?

Well, anyway- the usual in Tobago is .75~1.25mph which is ripping along.

I use Tobago as a training grounds for students who want to train for the Galapagos without wasting time at that distant archipelago learning horizontal currents and vertical down/up-wellings. It is much more representative of the real Ecuadorian currents than that swimming pool called Cozumel. This is the real deal.

Don't misunderstand, most DM's will sort the divers out pretty well- they see everything from log book dive #15 to savvy old divers. Leave your heavy metal at home. Come here light, bring all of your surface recovery and signaling gear. Some flashlights. Leave the rest of the junk at home. U/W photography is pretty much so a non-starter. The topside? Bring a camera!

Back to currents....

It would be very difficult to maintain a swimming position at .75mph, and you couldn't do it long.

If you had a good handhold (like in the Galapagos) onto lava rocks at 2.0 mph. At that point, your reg starts to flutter in your mouth because of the drag on the hose. Again, if you were holding fast, the force of the water against the purge button would likely cause free flow at 2.0 or above.

The fastest ride I ever was on in Tobago was African Express. You ghost along a wall at 1.5 mph to your right, enjoy the passing show. The DM is very explicit about "You will see me cut into a slot into the wall, be very sure to follow me".

If you do not make this hard right, you will continue on African Express... well- consider the name.

Now that you have entered this barren rock walled slot, called Heart Attack. It is about 17 feet wide, about 35 feet deep and maybe 250 feet long. It is a log plume chute without the Donald Duck festooned fiberglass log boats. It is the E Ticket ride of the Mar Caribe.

We dove it several times for a television show and metered the current at 4.5 m.p.h.

All you do is tumble.

At the end, it dumps you into a calm pool where the dive boat sits, reminiscent of Maid of the Mist in Niagra. Most divers do not get to go there, and with good reason. More important than any skill is the absolute requirement to relax. Any stupid moves could croak you. Most divers will try to maneuver through it. Very bad idea.

There is also a pleasant little place called Washing Machine. I have never seen such intense vertical currents visually that far removed from a wall or terrain face structure. Out in the middle of nowhere... wham. Not for the noob.

No matter how many dives I log, I have grown to understand that I am not automatically ready for all local conditions. I grew up diving in the Great Lakes, but until I did a lights-off negative buoyancy quiet backroll over the Mantas of Tobago, well- I hadn't done that before, now had I?

It took me only a couple of seconds to notice we were going 2 mph over Staghorn Coral in shallow water. Pucker Factor 8.2

RedMan will be perfect for you. Mention that you spoke with Doc from the TV Show. He'll smile. Go potty before he takes you out.
 
Doc
Thanx again for the info. C'mon over to southest MI for a true tumbler ride. Where lower lake Huron empties into the St Clair river on the Canadian side is the perfect storm of hydraulics that creates a wicked current you can ride ( not swim......lol) especially when the spring thaw raises water levels. The eddies there can be so strong you'll see surface floats pulled under momentarily. The water spilling into the dredged shipping channel also serves as a mini wall and can create some extreme downcurrents as well. We will look up Redman and see if he can give us the out of the norm dive experience we seek out.
 
We did our trip to Tobago and I'd like to give everyone interested my first-timer's impressions of it.
We made our travel arrangements using the relatively new direct flight from ATL to TAB. Our trip from Detroit started off delayed because of mechanical issues that held our Delta connection from DTW TO ATL. We notified the Delta gate agents that we would be cutting it close to make our connection in ATL to the once weekly direct flight to TAB. We were assured that since it was Delta's fault we were delayed and we were a larger group that the plane would be held the 10 minutes or so necessary for us to connect in ATL. Upon arriving in ATL, racing through several terminals, and arriving at our gate ro connect to TAB we discovered that the plane had already departed...12 MINUTES EARLIER THAN SCHEDULED...we later found out that the plane was oversold. After waiting in a line to speak to an agent about rebooking the connections (ours was not the only flight affected that day and when we tried to handle it via telephone we were told that as a group it would need to be rebooked in person by a Delta agent) the friendly overworked ticketing agent informed us that the next possible flight to TAB was the following Saturday...%@&@^%!!!! After suggesting to her some other solutions by routing through different islands we found a Sunday evening flight to POS Trinidad followed by a Monday afternoon connection to TAB. Delta graciously offered to provide vouchers for the Saturday evening hotel stay in ATL as well as some meals. When we inquired about the Sunday night stay in POS Trinidad we were told that the agents in POS would have to arrange that for us upon our arrival and would provide the vouchers to us there. This was not the ideal beginning to 8 days of prepaid holiday and diving in Tobago but it was our only option. Well, when we arrived in POS at 9PM we were greeted by an airport closing down on a Sunday evening. We were unable to find any Delta employees still in the facility. When I tried to contact a ticketing agent via phone we were told that thye were unable to provide any assistance with hotel vouchers as this was handled locally. So, faced with the option of spending the next 14 hours in an airport that was shutting down or making our own arrangements for hotels we chose the latter. We were able to book rooms at a nearby Holiday Inn Express that was clean and convenient for the rate of $265 US per room. We paid this out of pocket with the assumption that we would get reimbursed as Delta was required to provide us the rooms. Monday morning we awoke refreshed and headed to the POS airport to make our 25 minute island hopper connections to TAB and begin our holiday nearly 2 days later than planned. As I write this, three plus months after our ordeal, Delta has only offered to provide us travel vouchers for $75 per person that expire in December of 2008. This does not even reimburse us the cost of the rooms they were obligated to provide, let alone make up for the loss of nearly 2 days of prepaid diving holiday at the BWI in Tobago. Needless to say the interaction with Delta has been less than stellar.
Upon arrival in TAB we were greeted with terrific southern Carribean sunshiny weather and a quick response from the Blue Waters Inn to arrange for our 50 minute transfers to Speyside. The BWI is a clean, laidback, old-timey Carribean resort in a SPECTACULAR isolated setting on the bay. The rooms were large and overlooked the ocean. We had a second floor balcony with a great view. Daily service was provided while we were out for the AM dives.
We did all of our diving with Aquamarine Divers, the shop located in the BWI property as we had prepaid for 12 dives (six days of two tanks). They were very accomodating to us in getting all of our prepaid dives in. Our group had a mixture of
experience ranging from newly certified to hardcore tec divers. The divemaster assigned to our group, Scott, was very attentive to the newer divers who desired it while also allowing those of us with more experience to dive our own profiles as much as the sites would allow. I did stop and talk with Redman and in the future I will dive with him as he is the only Speyside area operator that will take divers to the more extreme sites. We got on so well with Scott that he offered to escort us on Saturday (his day off and our offgassing day) to take in some of the rainforests, waterfalls, and other naturally beautiful sites aroung the island.
The BWI and the village of Speyside are not for those looking for the nightlife you may find in Aruba. If, however, a faily remote old school Carribean fishing village that has only recently seen an influx of autos and cellphones is your idea of a relaxing dive holiday I can enthusiastically reccomend Speyside and the BWI.
We dined at Jemma's, the Birdwatcher's, Speyside Inn, and the house restaurant at the BWI. For less money and better local dishes make the 15 minute walk to town to sample the dining there.
On the whole Speyside diving is fantastic and the BWI was no disappointment to us. The handling of our flight situation by Delta was a very frustrating beginning to our trip, made for an abbreviated holiday, and is still maddening to date.
 
Another crummy trip. :)

Glad you met RedMan. Next time!

They really made that drive in 50 Minutes? Whoa, momma.
 
The 50 minute commute did not account for our stops at the market to stock up on Carib and rum of course:D
 

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