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Time to hang up my wetsuit after near death on NYE

Discussion in 'Near Misses and Lessons Learned' started by Edwon1, Jan 2, 2020.

  1. WS007

    WS007 Professional Photographer

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    Dear Edwon1,

    You had a lousy DM that does not deserve to be DM and is a risk for herself and the customers...

    Only you for yourself can know whether it is time to continue this great hobby or give up. It was, however, nothing like a "near death experience", but just a bad experience. Luckily, as so often (but NOT ALWAYS!), nothing happened. Many of us had similar experiences, beeing our fault or the fault of dive partners (in many cases both contribute), especially as beginners. Important is to learn from such experiences...

    What can you learn from this dive?
    #1.: Have a careful look with whom you dive (Hopefully there are better dive bases around. Maybe you can even find an experienced dive buddy whom you can trust).
    #2.: When indicating a problem and the buddy/DM does not react properly, insist. It does not matter that you are the beginner and she is the DM. What matters it is your live...

    All the best, Wolfgang
     
  2. Belzelbub

    Belzelbub Barracuda

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    First, thanks for coming back and explaining things a bit more. If it’s not fun for you, then hanging things up is probably the right decision. No point in diving if you aren’t enjoying it.

    For number 1. That is certainly quite a list of incidents. It sounds like some poorly run operations were involved. I’m curious about the breathing technique that the instructor told you. Not that I want to try it on my own, just curious as to whether this is an accepted technique or one that is considered dangerous. I’ve been diving off and on since 1990 and only once witnessed a diving emergency. During an AOW class, another student panicked, and attempted to shoot to the surface from 108’. She was brought under control by the instructor, and we completed a safety stop and surfaced. When at the surface, she was gurgling at the surface. Another instructor from the same shop had arrived with her OW student. The student was a bit shaken, so a few of us attempted to put him at ease a bit. He calmed down and completed his dives.

    For number 2. This is something you could correct for the future. I’ve made some changes to my kit over the years, and carry gear that can help effect my own rescue if ever needed. I carry a flashlight with SOS function, a Dive Alert horn, a DSMB, and a VHF radio. I’ll leave the VHF out for an onshore dive, but that’s about it.
     
  3. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    I always carry a light and a dSMB, and I have a whistle zip-tied to my wing inflator.

    The light is used on more or less every dive, and the dSMB is regularly used to signal to the boat tender that we're on our way up. Often appreciated. Haven't bothered with a VHF, but might consider a PLB if I were diving places where carrying one would be reasonably prudent.
     
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  4. StefinSB

    StefinSB Manta Ray

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    ^This. One has to look at the situation from the eyes of a brand new driver. It is very clear that an experienced driver would have probably given the finger to the DM in this case.
     
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  5. divinh

    divinh Photographer

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    My experience with the Dive Alert horn is that it isn't any more effective than a whistle and it will eventually leak.
     
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  6. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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  7. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    nonsense
     
  8. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    You keep saying a lot of nonsense over and over. That doesn't make it true. It's too bad, because some of what you say is very sensible and helpful. But your dead horses keep getting in the way....
     
  9. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Good. The bad news is you should have learned that in your OW pool sessions.
     
  10. InTheDrink

    InTheDrink DIR Practitioner

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    Right. Shoot me now. Didn’t read all 11 pages.

    To the OP. It’s obviously your choice whether to continue.

    However from your post your DM should never have let you to get that low on gas. Any half decent DM will check people’s gas either by asking or sneakily checking.

    If someone is new-ish they should be able to spot that straight away. If they can’t then they are not a good DM or guide.

    The DM let a simple situation get out of control. Maybe they had 70 dives or so and weren’t up to it. But as a DM you recognise all signs and signals of a diver that may have problems and always check their gas every 5 mins max.

    I think if you dived with a normal DM that paid attention you would have no problem.

    I wouldn’t give up if I were you but as a said it’s your choice.

    I’ve called people’s dives before we even descended because I knew what was going to happen in advance. A good guide will generally know that. And I’m not a particularly good guide.
     
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