This is really making me angry

[Boogie711]

Truly amazing. So after we've knocked off the whales, the sharks, and the fish, what's next? Boogie-burgers? I guess, though, that it would be culturally OK.

P.S.--Forget ocean diving, there won't be anything to look at!

And again - we have people on the verge of emotion laden attacks, rather than concise logic-laden debate. Come on, BJD - I KNOW that you know better than this. :06:

I wholeheartedly concur with Sprange - "I believe 'real' scientific evidence (as opposed to the vast quantity of pseudo-science) should be the concern here."

 

[Kim]

According to your earlier arguments, you have to agree, or else you are committing cultural arrogance.

Sometimes I am culturally arrogant. As I already explained though - I reserve it for areas that make no rational sense and are downright cruel, not just because someone else chooses to eat something I don't agree with - or eat myself. Personally I see a distinction between the two.
The Japanese love their whale and I'm not going to condemn them for it because I know and understand why - interestingly enough I've never seen sharks fin soup on a Japanese menu. Still.....I have already said what I think about it so I'll bow out and let anyone who wishes to argue it further do as they will.

 

[jonnythan]

Jon,

Now you are being culturally arrogant. Taking only the fin, which is the part that soups up an Asian male's sex drive, is efficient. The rest of the fish doesn't matter.

Rob

IMO, and don't take this personally, you are making an extremely ridiculous argument.

Cruelly torturing and drowning a shark, then taking a single fin and disposing of the rest of the carcass, is irresponsible on a level far greater than catching a whale and using the majority of its body for food and other things.

There is nothing inherently less humane or 'efficient' about capturing and eating a whale than there is capturing and eating a deer, cow, or tuna. There is about stealing a shark fin and letting the shark die in the water.

To equate the two is the height of silliness.

 

[stoddu]

Truly amazing. So after we've knocked off the whales, the sharks, and the fish, what's next? Boogie-burgers? I guess, though, that it would be culturally OK.

P.S.--Forget ocean diving, there won't be anything to look at!

Soylent Green

 

[jonnythan]

You are quite correct. So, I guess that makes the continued slaughter perfectly acceptable.

Yeah, pretty much.

Capturing and killing an animal in order to use its meat for food, fat tissue for oil, and skin for leather (or whatever) is perfectly acceptable. There's nothing special about the whale that makes its slaughter and use more unacceptable than any other animal.

If they overfish the mammal to the point of endangerment, that is deplorable. However, decrying the eating of whales just because they're whales is, indeed, cultural arrogance.

 

[Charlie99]

Truly amazing. So after we've knocked off the whales, the sharks, and the fish, what's next? Boogie-burgers?

Nah. Finally around that point we'd finally recognize petroleum as the valuable source of organic compounds that it is, and use it an the feedstock for synthetic food. Energy would, of course, come from non-polluting sources such as nuclear energy (well, there is thermal pollution, but entropy is always going to win the long run).

..... let's see now, any other "sacred cows" hanging around that I can BBQ :banana:

 

[DNK]

Sorry can't help myself

Soylent Green is ...... People​

 

[dlndavid]

Sorry can't help myself

Soylent Green is ...... People​

And so IS Boogie.

 

[BigJetDriver]

To equate the two is the height of silliness.

Jon,

Actually, you are perfectly correct. The point I was trying to make, to yourself, Kim, Boogie, et al, is this: If you are going to use an idea like "cultural arrogance" to support an argument for something, you must remember that it is a two-edged sword. If it works in one direction, it works exactly the same way in reverse.

I am not demeaning any one of you, simply pointing out the logical failing in that particular argument.

Perhaps it is a logical failing on my part, since I do eat beef, but I cannot see whales in the same light as cows, Boogie.

And no, Jon, like you, I am totally against the practice of "finning".

Rob

 

[jonnythan]

Perhaps it is a logical failing on my part, since I do eat beef, but I cannot see whales in the same light as cows, Boogie.

And no, Jon, like you, I am totally against the practice of "finning".

Rob

So, that is the 'meat' of it then. What's so special about whales versus cows that whales should not be eaten?