The "other" end of the DIR question

[H2Andy]

the only "billy rings" i know of are a technical diving d-ring (named after the guy
who i guess first used them). it's like a d-ring, but the part that "swings" in a d-ring
is welded in place, so it's always open.

 

[O2BBubbleFree]

the only "billy rings" i know of are a technical diving d-ring (named after the guy
who i guess first used them). it's like a d-ring, but the part that "swings" in a d-ring
is welded in place, so it's always open.

So it's a hook? Isn't that a bad idea (entanglement)?

 

[H2Andy]

no, not so much a hook as a semi-circle, hollow, of course

think a d-ring that doesn't swing up or down

 

[detroit diver]

First things first. Can you please show me where I said you were going to die?

As for the gear configuration, would you not agree with me that if everyone's gear is standardized, that there is a far less chance of confusion or potential problems?

The "harder they fall" comment was just a comment about the fervent anti-dir posters on this board. As it turns out, if you go back and do a study on those that screamed and yelled the most about not being DIR, or personal preference, you will find that the loudest ones eventually realized the importance of DIR and some of them became our biggest supporters.

As for your comment about being arrogant, well, I guess that's your opinion. Others on this thread think otherwise. I've been called worse...oh well.

A lot of what DIR proposes is just common sense.

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So DIR divers are the only ones that can know their gear, their buddies gear, and think through a problem when it presents itself?



Not sure what you mean here. I’m not that tall, large, or pious. But thank you for illustrating the point that has been made in this thread so often, that most DIR divers are arrogant elitists who believe anyone who isn’t DIR is automatically DIW.

I am not telling you that DIR is stupid. If it works for you than fine. But I do take issue with the recurring theme that if I’m not DIR I’m DIW and am going to die.


Thanks, I always have and will strive to continue to do so, even if I am DIW.

 

[O2BBubbleFree]

no, not so much a hook as a semi-circle, hollow, of course

think a d-ring that doesn't swing up or down

Thanks for the explanations, and patience in my misunderstanding. I know what you mean now.

 

[O2BBubbleFree]

First things first. Can you please show me where I said you were going to die?

No, I can’t. When I said “But I do take issue with the recurring theme...” I was making a generalization, not attacking you personally. You seem to see more people attacking DIR, while I see more DIR people attacking others. It’s probably a matter of perspective. We always give more notice to people attacking our lifestyle than supporting it.

As for the gear configuration, would you not agree with me that if everyone's gear is standardized, that there is a far less chance of confusion or potential problems?

Yes. Well, sort of. I would probably say less, I’m not sure I would say far less. I would also say that DIR’s level of standardization is boring, stagnant, and not necessary for the diving I do. I’m sure that you don’t agree with that, or think it’s unimportant, but again, this thread asked my reasons for not going DIR. If I was doing anything other than non-overhead open water diving, I might feel that the DIR level of standardization was more important, but I doubt it.

As it turns out, if you go back and do a study on those that screamed and yelled the most about not being DIR, or personal preference, you will find that the loudest ones eventually realized the importance of DIR and some of them became our biggest supporters.

I guess I don’t need to, as you’ve already collated that data, and can provide it to me, right? Or is this a generalization? Do you really have the data to support that statement?

I didn't bother to read the whole thing, just the first post and the last three pages....

As for your comment about being arrogant, well, I guess that's your opinion. Others on this thread think otherwise. I've been called worse...oh well.

I scanned the first post, and the last three pages, and didn’t see anyone expressing an opinion of you. I did see several places where your tone seemed arrogant, but it’s hard to know someone’s intention from written statements. IMO there is enough perceived DIR arrogance on these threads to support DIR-F adding a unit on maintaining a good public image. But, again, that’s from my perspective.

I also see that my posts sound much more condescending than I intended. I apologize for that. I tend to do that when I feel I'm being attacked.

If you, as a supporter of DIR, are reading this thread to find out why people are not interested in DIR, I suggest you try to be less defensive and more open to figuring out WHY people feel the way they do, rather than challenging their views. If you are reading this post looking for a fight, please stop wasting my time.

A lot of what DIR proposes is just common sense.

That brings up another point to illustrate why I don’t plan to go DIR (in keeping with the original intent of this thread). I have plenty of common sense. I don’t need another certification to gain it.

Maybe you can explain something to me. I see lots of agency bashing on these threads. However, the vocal DIR folks, be they a minority or not, are the only ones that imply that their way is the only way. As a matter of fact, they seem to be the only ones that feel that they need to convince everyone else that their way is the best way. Any idea why that is? It certainly comes across as arrogant and elitist.

 

[jonnythan]

3dent, there are 50 pages of this nonsense. If you don't get DIR, or don't think it's a good idea, just leave it alone and forget about it. There are a lot of people who think it's a great way to dive because it's so extremely thoroughly thought out. If you don't, that's fine.

The reason DIR guys offer their opinions and try to convince people when questions come up is because the question has been thoroughly addressed by the creators of DIR, and so most DIR guys already have an answer that addresses all of the issues.

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

3dent, there are 50 pages of this nonsense. If you don't get DIR, or don't think it's a good idea, just leave it alone and forget about it.....

Isn't this a thread about why someone didn't choose DIR? Maybe it'd be better for the DIR proponents to leave it alone, they obviously don't get it, nor do I imagine have any reasons for not choosing DIR (Since they already did, get it?).

What are you the OT police?

 

[jonnythan]

I'm not saying anything is OT. I'm saying this thread has run its course several times over and I think it's time for people to give it up.

 

[O2BBubbleFree]

3dent, there are 50 pages of this nonsense. If you don't get DIR, or don't think it's a good idea, just leave it alone and forget about it.

Hello, Jonnythan, welcome to the fray...
As I have mentioned in previous posts, the purpose of this thread was to ask why people decided not to do DIR. With that in mind, I feel you have things backwards. There are 50 pages of people answering that question, then defending themselves for their opinions or impressions.

There are a lot of people who think it's a great way to dive because it's so extremely thoroughly thought out. If you don't, that's fine.

I know a lot of people are into it. I’m fine with that. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. BUT IF it's really fine by you that I don't support DIR, than may I suggest that it's you that should leave it alone and forget about it, since the whole point of this thread was to ask why I don’t plan to do DIR? I have, in keeping with the intent of the thread, expressed my opinions and spent considerable time defending my position against DIR types who can’t let me have my opinion and leave it alone.

The reason DIR guys offer their opinions and try to convince people when questions come up is because the question has been thoroughly addressed by the creators of DIR, and so most DIR guys already have an answer that addresses all of the issues.

That’s fine. When questions come up, I’m all for answering them. However, I have to mention again that the original post asked for reasons that are primarily impressions and opinions, not questions. Have you ever had a teacher ask you to write your opinion on something, than give you a bad grade, implying that your opinion is wrong? That’s the same impression that the DIR ‘answer givers’ are making here, except that they are adamant about me being wrong. Other than you, no one has left the option open that it’s OK if I don’t agree.

Granted, some of the impressions I originally posted have been harsh. I was trying to make a point about how DIR folks present themselves on these boards, and, fortunately, several replies by DIR types have supported my impressions.

It seems to me that with the amount of anti-DIR rhetoric on these threads, that DIR folks should at least look at how they are presenting themselves. After all, if the system is all it’s claimed to be, it should sell itself.