The old can of worms ...

[andydiver06]

Hi Bubble I could not get it can you help. It says "you may introduce". It is great to make skin diving mandatory but here they really don't teach as such.

Page 2-5 of Manual says...
Skin Diving Skills
You may introduce and have student divers master the following skin
diving skills during either Confined Water Dive Two, Three, Four or Five.
This flexibility also extend to renewed and insured (where required) PADI
Divemasters and Assistant Instructors who may independently conduct these
skills with student divers during your Open Water Diver courses.

 

[andydiver06]

Manual Page 4-24 says :
I did not understand why you need a BCD for Skin Diving. We have never used or I have never seen anywhere people skin diving with BCD as it will increase the drag.
Can anybody please explain.
" 4. Buoyancy/weight check.
Skin divers weight themselves like scuba divers, but the weight required will
not usually be the same as when using scuba equipment.
Also, skin divers often want to be somewhat positively buoyant, so it is acceptable to use less weight than required to float at eye level with an empty BCD and holding
a normal breath. Students who don’t obtain positive buoyancy by wearing an
exposure suit still need adequate positive buoyancy; snorkel vests may provide
this."

 

[billtodive]

One worthless opinion. PADI wants you to be able to get in the water and come up breathing without SCUBA gear on......Maybe that ensures you are "comfortable in the water".

 

[Bubble Junky]

I didn't post incorrect info.

Yes you did:

it's not part of the PADI program.

 

[Bubble Junky]

Hi Bubble I could not get it can you help. It says "you may introduce". It is great to make skin diving mandatory but here they really don't teach as such.

Page 2-5 of Manual says...
Skin Diving Skills
You may introduce and have student divers master the following skin
diving skills during either Confined Water Dive Two, Three, Four or Five.
This flexibility also extend to renewed and insured (where required) PADI
Divemasters and Assistant Instructors who may independently conduct these
skills with student divers during your Open Water Diver courses.

'You may introduce in either....' relates to the fact that it's an instructor sequenced skill and can be done in any confined session apart from number 1. Notice that the performance requirements are in bold - meaning that it's a standard and they have to be met.

 

[BIGG_BUDD]

This is a religious argument. I forsee that this thread will never end...

My 2 cents (if anyone is interested):

• It's like motorcycles. "It's not WHAT you ride...it's THAT you ride".
• The same goes here. "It's not WHO you dive...it's THAT you dive."

Cheers,

 

[Surf & Sky]

This is a religious argument.

Amen.

 

[perdidochas]

The great debate rages on.
Anyone out there who certified Naui in 1980?

Close enough. I was certified by NAUI in 1981.

With a demented former navy seal?

No, but by a Cuban-American instructor who was trained by demented former UDTs.

Of the 15 or so people in my OW class more than half failed basic skills in the pool, myself included. The other half got tripped up on dive 1 or 2.

We didn't. We all learned the basic skills.

However when that class was over I feel that I was properly prepared for open water diving in the ocean to 130fsw without a computer, using tables.

Right or wrong, the ditch and don blood and guts aproach is about training competant divers. Is this still the Naui approach?

I don't think it is, but I do think it's an approach that can make fairly good divers over a period of about 12 4 hr sessions.

Earlier this month I was along on a dive boat with a group of divers for their, first open water dive, I was witness to quite a show and in my opinion they all should have been remanded straight back to the pool for remedial.

Todays training focuses on the warm fuzzy feeling that anyone can dive, regardless of their comfort in water or level of fitness.

Theese people the agency's are cranking out are just walking statistics, and they dont even know it.

Eric

Well, accident statistics don't show that. It must be adequate, or many more people would die while diving.

 

[Nemrod]

and the beat goes on and on.

N

 

[maged_mmh]

Honestly, I'm wondering:
been through 5 threads since morning; 3 out of these with people trying their level best to flame Walter!!
maybe i've not been around so long, only dropping by this forum every now & then. But the way it seems that there is a well sized army trying to get him for a game:gun:
Walter,
if you're so hunted, think about PMs instead of public posting