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This got heated quickly!

Let's give this guy some constructive answers...

I personally have never heard of anyone dying of HUB. :) HIV, yes... But not HUB.

Also, I have never dived a HUB... So I can't tell you from experience what they're really like.

I will tell you, though, that I've seen one in action, and it didn't look like a very good idea, for the same reasons that others have listed here.

I could go into the overall reason why I personally would not recommend a HUB... But instead, let me point you to an article I wrote not long ago. You'll find it here.

In the article, I talk specifically about BC's in general, and the three basic designs, and why I recommend one over the others. Taking the HUB strictly from the BC point of view, it's easy to see why I personally would not recommend it as a BC.

The HUB, however, is a complete system... It's more than just a BC. It's regs and life support and backup all rolled into one. While this might seem like a good idea, I think we'd all agree that keeping everything seperate is a better plan, especially in your case. You say that you'd like to purchase now and upgrade piece by piece later... That's not a problem for most rigs... With the HUB, it might not be so easy, since everything's integrated. Also, a failed component on most scuba rigs means that only that component has failed... A failed component on a HUB means that your entire system is affected... And that's really not good on a HUB, since there's more individual components to fail than on a "standard" rig.

There's two things that you mention in your post... One was that the dealer wasn't selling regs that fit you... What do you mean by that? If it's a mouthpiece issue, different mouthpieces are available and most divers pick what's comfortable for them and use it on whatever reg they choose. If it's a hose issue, then different hoses are available. Many of us mix and match to get a completely custom fit with our rigs. The second thing that I was wondering about was the "weight integrated" issue. Do you mean to tell me that the HUB, the "catch-all, end-all for integration," isn't weight integrated?

Not that weight integration is definitely the way to go... Read the article I wrote about weight integration. There are systems out there that take weight integration to a whole new (and impressive) level... And still allow you to wear a belt - or not; your choice. There are advantages and disadvantages to either.

Good luck in your decision. Frankly, the HUB does not seem to be popular. I agree that it looks like a great idea... "Cleaning everything up" like that. :) But I can assure you, there are better ways to do it; at least, that's my humble opinion.
 
Oh, just meant the bc itself didn't fit...they only hade Dacor ones in Extra Large...

I'm fine with renting for now, just looked like a decent enough deal instead of pissing money away.

Thanks,
Matt
 
SeaJay once bubbled...
[ The second thing that I was wondering about was the "weight integrated" issue. Do you mean to tell me that the HUB, the "catch-all, end-all for integration," isn't weight integrated?

They actually sell two models. IIRC the "Avante Garde" is the weight integrated version. This brings up another problem though. Somewhere (I believe on these boards) someone mentioned that the pull strap for the Octo (which is hidden in a pocket) is right next to the integrated weight dump handle :rolleyes: You don't need too vivid of an imagination to see the disaster that could cause!
 
ScottyK once bubbled...
SeaJay once bubbled...
[ The second thing that I was wondering about was the "weight integrated" issue. Do you mean to tell me that the HUB, the "catch-all, end-all for integration," isn't weight integrated?

They actually sell two models. IIRC the "Avante Garde" is the weight integrated version. This brings up another problem though. Somewhere (I believe on these boards) someone mentioned that the pull strap for the Octo (which is hidden in a pocket) is right next to the integrated weight dump handle :rolleyes: You don't need too vivid of an imagination to see the disaster that could cause!

LOL

*buddy #1 swims up, giving OOA signal*

*buddy #2 reaches for the octo*

*buddy #1 watches buddy #2 rocket towards the surface, and wonders why buddy #2 was so pissed that buddy #1 was OOA*
 
My wife had the Dacor version of the HUB. Thats what she wanted so thats what she got. She doesn't have it now. She dives a Zeagle Ranger now and likes it much better. I'll explain.

1. Its extremely heavy.
2. Hose routing is obnoxious to work with.
3. All hoses run through a central "HUB" (not good, if it fails the whole thing is shot).
4. Very bulky.
5. If you want to change or customize anything (ie. add or change console/gauges) you literally have to take the thing apart.
6. On a good note the Airtrim system is pretty slick.

After having seen it in action I would recommend against. No I haven't heard of anybody dying from using it (probably no likely), its just not a very user friendly piece of equipment IMHO.

Cheers
 
SeaJay once bubbled...
This got heated quickly!...

Hi Seajay - sorry if my comment came over a bit terse, it wasn't meant to be. It's just that so much twaddle is spouted about how the HUB is death trap, etc that occasionally I just feel the need to ask where the evidence is.

Got to admit there is one major downside to the HUB - no use for twins which is why I sold mine and bought a wing.

Ian
 
Besides all that others have said, some instructors won't let you in their classes if you're wearing such a silly contraption.
We can argue about where the alternate second stage belong but it sure as hell doesn't belong in a pocket. Don't dive without instpecting your hoses. There are simpler more elegant solutions that function far better.
 
Northeastwrecks once bubbled...
One of the single worst ideas I've ever seen. The BC is junk and the reg is worse.


whats wrong with the reg?????? is it the lack of external adjustment ????? what ?????


this isnt a flame or troll just wanting to know why
 
Ian Wigg once bubbled...

Hi Seajay - sorry if my comment came over a bit terse, it wasn't meant to be. It's just that so much twaddle is spouted about how the HUB is death trap, etc that occasionally I just feel the need to ask where the evidence is.

Ian

Actually, Ian, when I said, "This got heated quickly," I wasn't referring to your comment... I was thinking about how quickly everyone slammed the HUB, most without telling why. It was immediately labeled a death trap (with nobody being able to point out a single death that's occurred due to a HUB) and you were advised to run, not walk, away from this "deal." One person said that a HUB was "junk" and the reg "worse," but didn't say why. I even saw some abrasiveness when someone quipped, "We're answering the whole question, you're just not hearing the whole answer." Sheesh. Talk about kurt! How 'bout giving a reason, an explanation, and an example to demonstrate the point, you guys? If the HUB's a "death trap," then let's see the list of people who've died. If it's "junk," why not tell us why you feel that way? Constructive is the key here, y'all.

Anyway, Ian... I didn't think that your comments were rude or out of place at all.

...Not that my opinion really matters... I'm not a moderator or anything... I just thought that maybe we should help with a little more information.
 
I you are looking for some good valur start up gear go to www.diversdiscount.com, They have some excellent packages for in and around your price range that will be far better than a HUB.
They also do great free stuff with it!!!!!, and no I dont work for them it just looks good.
 

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