Too wordy, how about:Web Monkey:
Anybody who dives ... with no buddy... is just lining up for the next Darwin Award.
Roak
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Anybody who dives ... with no buddy... is just lining up for the next Darwin Award.
Roak
rjchandler
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roakey:Too wordy, how about:
Anybody who dives ... with no buddy... is just lining up for the next Darwin Award.
Roak
How about:
Anybody who doves .. with ... buddy ... is just lining up for ...[two] Darwin Awards.
Now we can combine two of the internet's long running debates in one great thread
iflyprops
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Is DiveriteExpress.com a good place to get PST tanks?? Or are there other 'cheaper' means?
Thanks!
Thanks!
rab
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You might find a better deal somewhere that has tanks that were delivered from PST prior to April 2004 when there was about a 10% price increase. I got two E8-119 tanks from FillExpress (the retail store, not online) in April and Mark already had pre-sold most of the order of E7-120s and E8-130s that were (are?) backordered until May/June. On ScubaToys.com, I noticed an E8-119 for what seems to be a good price, but that wouldn't include shipping (or viz when you get it filled the first time).
-Rob
-Rob
Unlike all this other academic debate I have been in a situation where my 2.7 cu ft. spare air allowed for a safe ascent, where otherwise there might have been a real problem. Before getting into the story I wanted to state my main reason for carrying a spare air is that it is a REDUNDENT air supply, something I could use to safely make an ascent in the case of primary regualtor failure of any type (there are
non-free flow failures). The incindent I reffered to happen about 12 years ago I was on a recreational dive on a wreck in south Florida in about 90 feet of water, my dive buddy and I were both PADI Open Water Scuba Instructors taking an afternoon off to do some diving after a morning at a specialty instructor training course. The boat in question had about 25-30 divers aboard it was the typical mix, my buddy and I were the first in the water by 5-10 minutes as we took the descent line down to tie off to the wreck. We were diving 72 cu ft tanks and the boat had a 500 psi rule , when we were each at about 800 psi we headed for the ascent line. Upon reaching where the line was tied off to the wreck we met up with another diver, he had lost his buddy and had been swiming around in a near panic searching for him, I glanced at his SPG (instrcutor habit) and noticed it read 300 psi (by this time my buddy and I were each at around 600-700 psi). We signaled for him to ascend with us, the guy ran out of air at around 45 feet, my buddy handed over his primary regulator, and grabbed the spare air off my tank. Upon hitting the surface the guy had drained my buddy's tank down the point where there was not enough pressure left to inflate his BCD (I still had about 350-400 psi).
Ike
p.s. the missing buddy had followed stanard procedures and had searched for his buddy for one minute then surfaced about 15- 20 minutes earlier, if I remember corredtly the guy that ran out of air had a total of under 20 dives and his last dive had been over a year before.
non-free flow failures). The incindent I reffered to happen about 12 years ago I was on a recreational dive on a wreck in south Florida in about 90 feet of water, my dive buddy and I were both PADI Open Water Scuba Instructors taking an afternoon off to do some diving after a morning at a specialty instructor training course. The boat in question had about 25-30 divers aboard it was the typical mix, my buddy and I were the first in the water by 5-10 minutes as we took the descent line down to tie off to the wreck. We were diving 72 cu ft tanks and the boat had a 500 psi rule , when we were each at about 800 psi we headed for the ascent line. Upon reaching where the line was tied off to the wreck we met up with another diver, he had lost his buddy and had been swiming around in a near panic searching for him, I glanced at his SPG (instrcutor habit) and noticed it read 300 psi (by this time my buddy and I were each at around 600-700 psi). We signaled for him to ascend with us, the guy ran out of air at around 45 feet, my buddy handed over his primary regulator, and grabbed the spare air off my tank. Upon hitting the surface the guy had drained my buddy's tank down the point where there was not enough pressure left to inflate his BCD (I still had about 350-400 psi).
Ike
p.s. the missing buddy had followed stanard procedures and had searched for his buddy for one minute then surfaced about 15- 20 minutes earlier, if I remember corredtly the guy that ran out of air had a total of under 20 dives and his last dive had been over a year before.
grouchyturtle
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Also I'd make it quick. Heard prices may be going up again! Ordering them online isn't worth it unless it's an unbelievable deal, because of the shipping and VIP. Not to mention a shop will also at least give you that first fill for free.
I lucked out on some used 119s that an instructor was selling to replace with or should I say wait in line for 130s.
I lucked out on some used 119s that an instructor was selling to replace with or should I say wait in line for 130s.
So do I understand that in this grand example of how wonderful a Spare Air is, that it was never actually USED?Isaac-1:
Roak
Ps. This also is yet another glaring example of how poor typical open water instruction is (no training in gas management) and how poor the dive boat industry is, thinking that "back on the boat with 500 psi" is gas management...
iflyprops
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Ahhhh, Yes, Scuba Toys has the 119's. I have heard that people complain that they are too short and you have to "scrunch" into them off the rack in the boat...I don't have a problem with the al80s and I'm 6'6", anyone think I'll have any problems with one of these?
iflyprops:
How can you not have problems with 80s??? I'm 6'4" and have always had to 'scrunch' to get into my gear. Then I started diving PST 120s. Now I sit on the bench and my Transpac is at the perfect height. I'm diving a borrowed set of 120s until mine come in (June-July?). I think I made a good choice.
rcain1
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Yes
No
Heck No!
No
Heck No!
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