The future of this forum

[rjack321]

Of course this can now also apply this this post in itself.

I considered that. And then tried to count the Tech2/Cave2 or beyond posters here. I don't know everyone's exact training, but those who know their s**t are obvious. I came up with less than a hand. I still think its laughable for a Tech1 person like myself to be on the "relatively experienced" end of the population.

 

[nereas]

Those of us with DIR training and really diving that way have much better DIR resources to draw upon than this board. Former instructors and mentors are the places I go for "DIR questions". They actually do come up from time to time. And no they don't have squat to do with Air2s and dual bladders. I'm only a middlin' level GUE diver (Tech1 and Cave1) but there's no way I'd bother coming here for a DIR answer to any of my issues. Too much BS, not enough people here with sufficient (DIR) training and experience to understand the issue. The irony is that even with my middlin' level of GUE training, I'm probably on the short list of the "more qualified" dozen or so DIR divers trying to answer questions here. Being (only) T1/C1 and one of the more experienced resources is downright laughable. Of course you don't even need to pass DIRF to be an expert here.

Same question, for you, however, regarding the recent DIR rift. Question is, don't you now need to further differentiate between "GUE-DIR" and "AG-DIR"?

I think, but am not certain, that the original rift occurred over the issue of deco on the fly, but I may be mistaken.

But for example, what if one of them now adopts the position that dual bladders are perfectly feasible, such as for warm water tech ops with lite wetsuits? The alternative being to require you to go out and buy a whole new set of aluminum twin tanks and rely on them as your backup buoyancy, since for warm water tech ops you would not normally be wearing a drysuit? Or to rely on drysuits even in warm waters?

Ultimately doesn't it depend on who decides what the orthodoxy shall be? Either JJ or AG?

That is my question, which I wonder about, as I watch the protocols develop, in both camps of the rift, from my viewpoint. I believe that the DIR protocols are worthy of everyone's consideration, to improve their own diving methodology.

It's just a question. I hope nobody gets emotionally involved in it.

 

[ArcticDiver]

I think often a feeling of self importance is behind posting, being an expert or wanting to show strength of mind in arguing with set mindsets....

The mere fact that this is the only forum, as far as I know, that draws this kind of discussion seems to confirm both of our ideas. Folks here too often take themselves and their chosen dive style way too seriously.

This is a GREAT discussion forum for people who are interested in one or another flavor of DIR. I've gotten a great deal out of the discussions, when they were discussions. But, whether some folks like it or not this forum is not "the authority" on anything diving.

 

[JeffG]

I think, but am not certain, that the original rift occurred over the issue of deco on the fly, but I may be mistaken.

Then you would be wrong.

Ratio Deco was taught after AG left.

 

[JeffG]

But, whether some folks like it or not this forum is not "the authority" on anything diving.

Yep...just a place where people

a) have a diving passion or b) just trying to figure out what its all about

gather to discuss neat things.

 

[rjack321]

Its pretty safe to say the nail in the coffin of the original rift was a scooter. Although deco on the fly was certainly part of the coffin wood (its still taught, with different emphasis). I have not seen any substantive (IMO) differences between "West Coast"and "High Springs" DIR to date. If this forum actually talked about those differences it would be miles ahead of where it is now, Air2s, dual bladders, can I solo dive DIR, yada yada.

 

[JeffG]

Although deco on the fly was certainly part of the coffin wood.

GI 3 used to use it to bash AG, but even JJ jumped into the Gavin list defending Ratio Deco.

 

[rjack321]

This is a GREAT discussion forum for people who are interested in one or another flavor of DIR. I've gotten a great deal out of the discussions, when they were discussions. But, whether some folks like it or not this forum is not "the authority" on anything diving.

Actually that's the fundemental problem. Those with no authority, no experience, no training are hogging all the bandwidth with questions that have been answered ad nauseum both here and in obvious resources - like the DIRF book.

Those of us who want to consider the nuances of marking a line for a lost buddy when you're past the point in a cave where the established arrows have changed directions look elsewhere. Ditto for the myriad of other questions which can be raised about stage use, leashes, multitasking on a scooter with compass and reel (at the same time). We go elsewhere to discuss this stuff. Why's that? Cause this place has too many texdiveguys or just the plain ignorant interjecting themselves.

 

[rjack321]

GI 3 used to use it to bash AG, but even JJ jumped into the Gavin list defending Ratio Deco.

True it wasn't a universal condemnation.

 

[Meng_Tze]

The mere fact that this is the only forum, as far as I know, that draws this kind of discussion seems to confirm both of our ideas. Folks here too often take themselves and their chosen dive style way too seriously.

Maybe not quite the same ideas ArticDiver, but there are other forums out there with similar emotions and 'discussions'.

For me so called discussions often end in a show off of 'experience'/ mastery based on credentials.... but as Rjack mentioned..... those credentials seem not to go beyond a certain level....