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Ben_ca:
That's why I've been shying away... There's too much of this and the "report post button" does nothing....


maybe your threshold level is too low?

really, you can't please everybody all the time ... the forum more or less seems to move forward nicely without undue "attacks" from non-DIR types, and newbies get to ask DIR questions which sometimes may not be framed with the forum in mind, but at least they get DIR answers

it's a balancing act

i say it's doing really well
 
cobbs0323:
I am brand new to DIR. To learn as much as possible about DIR, I have been reading SB's posts for the past 6 months. (Almost every night) I have learned many things..thank you all very much. Lately, I have been extremely irritated with the DIR slams. Most of the posts start out with good intentions and turn into a grudge match. I suspect that 99.9% of the time it's someone who knows virtually nothing about DIR and wants to create a little excitement. To be honest, I am growing tired of all the witty little comments and the disparaging remarks concerning DIR.

I fully support DIR because I want to be as safe as possible when my wife and I dive. Diving is our passion! I couldn't possibly live with myself if my lack of knowledge or education harms her in any way. Principles and sound practices of DIR keep us safe and that's the bottom line!

I honestly hope we can keep the irritants out of this forum. I want to learn, not read scuba-Springer posts. I didn't realize there are other forums and websites until TSandM made mention to them. Maybe that's were my time could be better suited.

This is the person that I want on my team and this is why this forum should stay right where it is.
 
dmdoss:
"heavy moderation" Is why I don't post as much. If I wanted someone picking apart what I've wrote, I would go back to school. I just don't need that headache.

I know I'll think twice before ever posting on DIR again. Oddly enough what attracted me to learning and reading about DIR in the first place is that it offer a different view, ultimatly a different opinion of how diving should be conducted and made safer. However in my experience it's seem that there is no room(in this forum) for different opinions if it's not in accordance to the DIR principles. I have to say I don't really understand that... A forum should be about having different opinions so that we all learn from each other. How can you reflect on what's good otherwise? Having a different opinion doesn't necessarily mean I disagree with DIR, it might mean I disagree with you so far but I am willing to change my mind if you can show me I am wrong....
What I have found is exactly the opposite, if one disagree or even have a slightly different opinion your post is deleted. Unless you post something that is completely out of context, rude or insulting(bashing), you should be heard...otherwise the idea of a forum achieve nothing. I might be "missguided" thinking that way, but to me deleting a post is deleting a thought which is nothing more than a form of censorship...
 
somewhereinla, PLEASE read the rules of the DIR forum. It's different from the other forums on this board. It is for DIR answers only. It is not for discussion of whether the DIR approach is appropriate, or whether other strategies are equally good or superior. That's for the general technical forum, or the general scuba forum. THIS one is for DIR answers. I didn't create it that way, but that's what it is.
 
somewhereinla:
I know I'll think twice before ever posting on DIR again. Oddly enough what attracted me to learning and reading about DIR in the first place is that it offer a different view, ultimatly a different opinion of how diving should be conducted and made safer. However in my experience it's seem that there is no room(in this forum) for different opinions if it's not in accordance to the DIR principles. I have to say I don't really understand that... A forum should be about having different opinions so that we all learn from each other. How can you reflect on what's good otherwise? Having a different opinion doesn't necessarily mean I disagree with DIR, it might mean I disagree with you so far but I am willing to change my mind if you can show me I am wrong....
What I have found is exactly the opposite, if one disagree or even have a slightly different opinion your post is deleted. Unless you post something that is completely out of context, rude or insulting(bashing), you should be heard...otherwise the idea of a forum achieve nothing. I might be "missguided" thinking that way, but to me deleting a post is deleting a thought which is nothing more than a form of censorship...

TSM early on in this thread mentioned 5th DX.

Here is their website address:

http://forum.5thd-x.com/

Andrew G oversees it. He likes answering your kind of questions, and he has a lot of instructors whom he has trained who assist.

Their main idea is to get you out to the beach so they can mentor you.

It's very friendly.
 
nereas, the 5thd-X forums are great. SB is great, and the DIR forum on SB is a great place to ask some questions and get some initial information about what DIR is and how we do things.

The BEST place to learn about DIR is from DIR divers, in the water. That's where diving is done.

Whether you believe it or not, most of us are very friendly, and want to get you out to the beach so we can mentor you. 5thD-x or not, the DIR divers I know are some of the most motivated to step up and work with and help new divers.
 
TSandM:
nereas, the 5thd-X forums are great. SB is great, and the DIR forum on SB is a great place to ask some questions and get some initial information about what DIR is and how we do things.

The BEST place to learn about DIR is from DIR divers, in the water. That's where diving is done.

Whether you believe it or not, most of us are very friendly, and want to get you out to the beach so we can mentor you. 5thD-x or not, the DIR divers I know are some of the most motivated to step up and work with and help new divers.

I am actually lucky, TSM. I know AG himself. I consider him to be the best diver in the world. I believe his DPVs will ultimately change diving in the world. We are all lucky that he is a nice guy.

JJ is a nice guy too. And he also makes lots of great stuff, half of which I wear everytime I go diving, either NDL or deco. I have spoken with him about his books, but not yet met him.

Between these 2 fellows, diving has been improved radically over the past 10 years. We owe them both a lot of credit, whether we each dive a strict DIR configuration, or a DIR hybrid.
 
H2Andy:
maybe your threshold level is too low?

...

it's a balancing act

i say it's doing really well

IMO, it's a balancing act between quality people who have tremendous amounts of knowledge and experience staying or going.

This phenomenon is in no way unique to SB. I've seen it elsewhere and in other arenas I've been the knowledgeable person who's left some of those arenas. The reason? Because you get tired of all the crap. Pure and simple.

Putting up with the arrogance, the repeated attacks, the resistance to listen ... why bother?

So I say keep this place for people who are really interested in DIR. Moderate it to the rules layed out. Don't allow people to abuse this forum. And make it opt in.

This is not unique on SB. The Solo forum is like it. Surface interval etc etc etc.

People have mentioned that if the forum turns to opt in then it will keep people who would otherwise learn about DIR away. I doubt it. With the number of posts about long hoses and BP/W and team approaches I see in the general forum and elsewhere, if someone is interested they will find this forum very easily.

I'm personally very new to the DIR philosophy, having taken Fundamentals only this spring. I'm adapting my diving as I go along. Keeping most things, but not necessarily all. I am very interested in DIR, but I am not "one of the collective". I like the idea of a thinking diver and am evaluating things as I go to ensure that it suits my environment, my buddies (not all DIR after all), and my budget. Perhaps that means I'll never be DIR, but somehow I doubt it. I've dove with some of the divers from this forum, they are fine divers. But I also dive with other, non-DIR divers, who are also fine divers and don't see that stopping.

I truly hope to have a place where I can come when I do have questions to get the "DIR" answer and to discuss items around the approach. However, having seen many of the types of things posted here, unless there are changes, I doubt that this will be the place given the types of responses I can expect.

And that's too bad IMO. Much of the research I've done, much of what I've learned and some of the direction I've taken has come from here.

Specifically, some of Uncle Pug's posts have really made me think and had me evaluate early on the types of profiles I was diving, trying to get to "checkpoint" profiles and getting to understand why "time above 2 ata's should balance time below 3". Or why I might not need a computer. Well, he's not around much anymore. I think that is a shame. And hey, maybe it has nothing to do with the form that this forum took. I don't know what happened "behind the scenes" so to speak at SB. Though I know that I would have preferred to see some of his answers...

I guess I'm rambling and that was definitely more than 2 cents, but I thought maybe some background might just help explain where my answers come from.

Bjorn
 
somewhereinla:
However in my experience it's seem that there is no room(in this forum) for different opinions if it's not in accordance to the DIR principles. I have to say I don't really understand that...


Read #6 here. This forum was created because DIR is so controversial that it was almost impossible for people to have conversations elsewhere without it spiraling into the type of thread these rules are designed to avoid.
 
dsteding:
Read #6 here. This forum was created because DIR is so controversial that it was almost impossible for people to have conversations elsewhere without it spiraling into the type of thread these rules are designed to avoid.

I understand that but some answers will often lead a potential reader to want to add a non DIR answer to whatever topic is discussed. Should you everytime that happen start a new thread with the same question on a different forum? Furthermore, when I log-in ScubaBoard I susually click on "new posts" and start reading and answering post I am interested in without necesarelly looking which forum it came from...

It may be indeed, that the solution is for DIR to be opt-in only.
 

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