The All Encompassing Great "Which BC is for me?" Thread

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TheFoggyMask

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We seem to get the exact same questions through here constantly, and the battle over vest versus backplate and wing is a tremendous one to be fought for the ages. If anyone has brand name or a specific model they prefer, write a review and give links and I will update the original post.

First! Try on a bunch of gear before you make your decision for a BC. Consider, how often will I be diving? What are my future plans for this equipment? If you're planning on being a tourist-only diver, take that into account. Your local dive shop can give you good advice as well, but keep in mind they are salesmen :D

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Backplates are a steel backplate with simple straps and a wing for bouyancy control located on the back just below the tank. The wing is on your back, which, on the surface, will mean that you will have to lean back slightly while floating. Many believe that the wing being on your back will help you to stay horizontal and trim underwater. Backplates are preferred by technical divers, including cave divers and wreck divers, for their simple and steamlined design. Less fabric and generally "clutter" result in a rig which does not easily become caught on obstructions and good streamlining.

Integrated weight systems or a weight belt are used in the BP/W system. Pockets for holding weight are available, and the BP itself does add 5-6 pounds of negative weight already. An optional single weight adapter bar can be added to the Halcyon model for another six pounds, potentially bringing it to 12 pounds of weight total. This lessens the amount of weight you will have to wear as a weight belt or in a pouch.

D-rings located on crotch straps, the side, and chest are used to hook on gear. An optional pouch bolted to the center of the backplate can house surface "Diver Below" devices.
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Once adjusted for a diver, BP usually will not need to be readjusted as there are no velcrow, buckles, and only one strap to adjust. The straps loop through the backplate in one long piece of webbing, and although not easily, can be replaced with some effort if they become weakened or broken.

BP/W systems generally lack pockets, as they are extra "clutter" on the front of the diver, and wetsuit pockets sometimes take their place. BP/W systems are a bit trickier to get into than a vest. This style of BC will likely last you forever as there are very few parts to break, and the actual bladder is encased in tough fabric that can be unzipped to service or replace it inexpensively.

Two brands of BP/W that are most popular are Dive Rite, www.diverite.com, and Halcyon, www.halcyon.net. Diverite is slightly more expensive but offers more features that a recreational diver might appreciate, such as a quick release and a means of getting into the BC easier. More pockets and options for padding are also available. Halycon offers a simple BC with Spartan features, no more than you need and no less.

I honestly can't give a good side of this for vest BCs. I will make a composite and update the original post with anything anyone would like to add, for for against either style.
 
Just to add that a very good starter BP/W system is the Deep Sea Supply singles rig.
 
The halcyon link is typo'ed
 
Well, it's a start at any rate. I wouldn't try to say what brands are the most popular because there are many many brands out there. Read the threads here and you'll soon come across a posting that has almost every single BP/W ever made and the associated web pages. It's a HUGE list.

If it were me I'd picture the traditional BP/W and mention that some divers like to doll it up by adding things like quick releases, weight pockets, padding, etc. Nobody I know does that however. Well, one diver new to it that I know will have the DSS quick release or deluxe harness to start out with. I have never seen a diver with one that has padding, but I have heard some ask for it.

The comment about having to lean backwards isn't quite accurate. I do not have to do so, but then I like many divers do not over inflate the wing on the surface. I do notice that tendency if I over inflate.

Good luck, I'll be watching the flames develop and I'll have my popcorn ready to go.

PS, the link is http://www.halcyon.net/
 
Is this another thread where everyone says how great their BC is?
 
I can't help much with jacket style, but this might be the reference to the BP/wing list mentioned above http://www.kidspot.org/personal/scuba/bpwing.html

It's amazing how many choices there are out there for divers, no matter what style you prefer...

Aloha, Tim
 
cummings66:
Good luck, I'll be watching the flames develop and I'll have my popcorn ready to go.


Let the flames begin! :D

TheFoggyMask:
Backplates are a steel backplate with simple straps and a wing for bouyancy control located on the back just below the tank. The wing is on your back, which, on the surface, will mean that you will have to lean back slightly while floating. Many believe that the wing being on your back will help you to stay horizontal and trim underwater. Backplates are preferred by technical divers, including cave divers and wreck divers, for their simple and steamlined design. Less fabric and generally "clutter" result in a rig which does not easily become caught on obstructions and good streamlining.

Integrated weight systems or a weight belt are used in the BP/W system. Pockets for holding weight are available, and the BP itself does add 5-6 pounds of negative weight already. An optional single weight adapter bar can be added to the Halcyon model for another six pounds, potentially bringing it to 12 pounds of weight total. This lessens the amount of weight you will have to wear as a weight belt or in a pouch.

D-rings located on crotch straps, the side, and chest are used to hook on gear. An optional pouch bolted to the center of the backplate can house surface "Diver Below" devices.

Once adjusted for a diver, BP usually will not need to be readjusted as there are no velcrow, buckles, and only one strap to adjust. The straps loop through the backplate in one long piece of webbing, and although not easily, can be replaced with some effort if they become weakened or broken.

BP/W systems generally lack pockets, as they are extra "clutter" on the front of the diver, and wetsuit pockets sometimes take their place. BP/W systems are a bit trickier to get into than a vest. This style of BC will likely last you forever as there are very few parts to break, and the actual bladder is encased in tough fabric that can be unzipped to service or replace it inexpensively.

Two brands of BP/W that are most popular are Dive Rite, www.diverite.com, and Halcyon, www.halcyon.net. Diverite is slightly more expensive but offers more features that a recreational diver might appreciate, such as a quick release and a means of getting into the BC easier. More pockets and options for padding are also available. Halycon offers a simple BC with Spartan features, no more than you need and no less.

Much of what is written above about BP/wings is inaccurate. As cummings pointed out, you don't have to lean backwards on the surface, the wing on your back is not what helps you trim horizontal, and technical divers don't use a BP/wing because of its simple, streamlined design. (Some technical divers make good use of this characteristic but many don't... we use a plate and wing 'cause we are diving doubles.)

Sometimes integrated weights or a weight belt is used with a plate but very often these are not used. Though some plates weigh in at 5 to 6 pounds, some weigh less than 2 and some are more than 16. STAs can be used with pretty much any brand of BP/wing and they can be of various weights and designs; one piece, two piece, light weight or weighted. In addition to this, P-weights or V-weights can be employed for weighting. Then, of course, there are the STA-less designs that many prefer.

Though many divers will not need to readjust their webbing once set, there are others that will need/want to readjust when they use different exposure protection. Some divers prefer a one piece continuous harness while others use different adjustables.

Pockets and such? All depends on what one wants. There are numerous options. The comment about being 'trickier' to get into is debatable. And.. BP/wings have pretty much the same 'parts' as most other BCs and they can break just like any thing else. While a plate may last 'forever', the wing and parts like the inflator, elbow, dumps, etc are not impervious to damage. Some wings are inner bladder/outer shell design and some are single layer. 'Wings' are not necessarily 'tougher' than standard BCs. Standard BCs use similar designs and materials.

I don't know that DiveRite and H are the most popular. They certainly don't appear to be on this board. I would guess that popularity might be a regional thing. And while DiveRite does offer a bunch of options, so does H... so does just about every BP/Wing manufacturer.
 
Any reason why I can't edit my original post...? This kinda puts a damper on things. Anyone have anything to add about vests or is this just going to be one-sided as hell?
 
TheFoggyMask:
Any reason why I can't edit my original post...? This kinda puts a damper on things.
You can only edit your post for a little while after you make it, forget how long maybe an hour.
Anyone have anything to add about vests or is this just going to be one-sided as hell?
nah, too tired of the discussion.
 

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