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kidSalvage:
I was thinking about taking technical diving courses for rec diving and for my work, but I am only 16. Am I old enough for any technical classes?

That's OK though, spend the next two years building your experience and get your Nitrox certification. Nitrox training will be an important step in moving to tech diving. Take the time to start thinking/acting like a tech diver. For example, be methodical in your preparation for every dive regardless of depth or complexity, take good care of your gear, do lot's of reading, etc.

--Matt
 
Not to mention the ridiculous costs associated with technical diving. Everything goes up exponentially from gear requirements, number of tanks, gas fills, charter costs, etc. etc. Most people I know that are actively involved spend a few thousand dollars a year just doing the dives, much less the startup costs to get going.
 
nalfein:
TDI's website states that you can take Advanced Nitrox at 15, but you must be 18 if the class is to be combined with Decompression Procedures.
IANTD allows 15 year olds to take Advanced Nitrox with parental consent.
GUE requires that you be 18 for Cave 1 or Tech 1.

Advanced Nitrox through TDI and IANTD are somewhat different in scope, do a bit of reading and talk to some local divers to get a feel for what's right for you. Good luck..... dive safe.


You can take a Cavern course to get you started before you turn 18.
 
James Goddard:
With what agency?

With the NACD and I think also the NSS-CDS.
 
MikeFerrara:
With the NACD and I think also the NSS-CDS.
I'm guessing then that you'd have to find a non-PADI dive op to do the class. IIRC PADI would require you give them a PADI card first, and other agency cards second. Since the PADI Cavern requires 18....
 
James Goddard:
I'm guessing then that you'd have to find a non-PADI dive op to do the class. IIRC PADI would require you give them a PADI card first, and other agency cards second. Since the PADI Cavern requires 18....

Mabe. Personally I wouldn't recommend very many shops for cavern or cave training. Lots of good independants out there.

I also wouldn't really recommend a PADI cavern class in general.

1, The outline is a spin off of the NACD or NSS outline but doesn't require (since it's PADI that means forbids) touch contact line following without a mask.

2, There is no text.

3, there is no written test.

None of those are real big deals if the instructor is good but then there's the instructor requirements.

4, To teach cavern for PADI you only need to be intro to cave certified and have 20 or 25 cavern/cave dives. Then you simply send them a check and presto-chango you're a caver instructor. I got a caver instructors card when I was a very new cave diver just because I could although I never taught the class.

Both the NSS and NACD require a teaching internship at the level you're going to teach. There just isn't any, IMO, way that 20 cavern dives prepares one to teach in a cave (the cavern is just part of the cave).

from the NSS-CDS site:
The CDS believes that in order to train qualified and truly competent Instructors, those Instructor Interns must study in a mentor capacity, thus allowing the experiences of other CDS Instructors to be passed on. In addition, the CDS believes that student behavior, within the cave zone, is best learned by witness accounts, rather than textbook scenarios.

Our mentor process requires you to obtain Sponsor approval & then co-teach a minimum of three classes at that level. With the approval of your Sponsor you may enroll in an Instructor Institute. Upon admittance to an institute you will be evaluated on your abilities to present CDS materials, field exercises, and student control within the cave. The possible results of attending the institute are PASS, PROVISIONAL, FAIL. A more detailed description of this process and requirements can be located within the 2000 Standards & Procedures Manual.

To begin the process of becoming an Active Instructor with the NSS-CDS you will need to complete the Intern forms. They consist of the current years renewal form, medical statement, NSS-CDS membership form, and the Intern Application form. In addition to the medical statement, as a new member to the CDS Instructor staff, you will be required to have a physician signature on your medical form. You will also need to have your Intern application signed by an Active Sponsoring CDS Instructor ( cross-over requires two Active Sponsors signatures ). All fees as noted on the forms and are to be submitted at the time of application.

I applaud you on your choice to aspire to become an Instructor of the NSS-CDS. Our organization is looked upon around the world as a leader in safe cave training. Our Standards and materials are used by many other agencies as the basis of their programs. Our Instructors, as well as our members, are responsible for the exploration and mapping of most of the cave systems around the world.

Edited to add that I just checked the NSS-CDS standards and in order to begine training as a caver instructor you are required to show proof of at least 100 non-training related cave or cavern dives. This is of course in adiition to a bunch of other requirements.
 
MikeFerrara:
Mabe. Personally I wouldn't recommend very many shops for cavern or cave training. Lots of good independants out there.

I also wouldn't really recommend a PADI cavern class in general.

1, The outline is a spin off of the NACD or NSS outline but doesn't require (since it's PADI that means forbids) touch contact line following without a mask.

2, There is no text.

3, there is no written test.

None of those are real big deals if the instructor is good but then there's the instructor requirements.

4, To teach cavern for PADI you only need to be intro to cave certified and have 20 or 25 cavern/cave dives. Then you simply send them a check and presto-chango you're a caver instructor. I got a caver instructors card when I was a very new cave diver just because I could although I never taught the class.

Both the NSS and NACD require a teaching internship at the level you're going to teach. There just isn't any, IMO, way that 20 cavern dives prepares one to teach in a cave (the cavern is just part of the cave).



Edited to add that I just checked the NSS-CDS standards and in order to begine training as a caver instructor you are required to show proof of at least 100 non-training related cave or cavern dives. This is of course in adiition to a bunch of other requirements.

I agree completely, Mike. Do yourself a favor and find yourself a bona-fide cave instructor to do your cavern class, which is a good class to take after AOW and some dive experience. Most people look back at all the specialty cards they have as so much wasted time and money. Cavern will teach you basics that you will carry to technical diving when you get to that point.
 
MikeFerrara:
Lots of good independants out there.

Agreed

1, The outline is a spin off of the NACD or NSS outline but doesn't require (since it's PADI that means forbids) touch contact line following without a mask.

Not true. While we did it lights out [it ended up being a night dive] with eyes closed, it was a decision made on the spot rather than mask off; which we would have done if it hadn't been night.

2, There is no text.

We used the nss-cds book.

3, there is no written test.

I had one.

None of those are real big deals if the instructor is good but then there's the instructor requirements.

*nod* it definately comes down to the instructor [as always]. I am living proof that you can have a decent PADI cavern class. [A little conceited... I know]
 
Spectre:
Agreed



Not true. While we did it lights out [it ended up being a night dive] with eyes closed, it was a decision made on the spot rather than mask off; which we would have done if it hadn't been night.

I can make you a copy of the standards. No mask off line work is included. Maybe some instructors do it but they're not supposed to...fact!

Adding skills is something that PADI frown on and that's well documented throughout PADI instructor training materials.
We used the nss-cds book.



I had one.

Good but neither is required or part of the program. There is no requirement that the student pass a written test. Since there is no test in theory an instructor may have a hard time making a case for not passing a student who couldn't pass one.[/QUOTE]



*nod* it definately comes down to the instructor [as always]. I am living proof that you can have a decent PADI cavern class. [A little conceited... I know][/QUOTE]

Of course you could have a good PADI cavern class but, IMO, the agency doesn't do much to insure that you get one.
 
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