Technical Divers Computer Use
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In regard to my comments on the Explorer, I did in fact talk to Gene's assistant today, and was told that there is a fix in the design stage.
There is an acceptable "work-around" for those times when you are not wearing gloves, however!
There is an acceptable "work-around" for those times when you are not wearing gloves, however!
Bottom Guage and tables.
Why should i use a computer in tech dives ?
Over 45m we dont even need the tables , we decompress on the fly. ( The calculations are so simple to be done underwater ).
Below 45m. Tables . ( in my pocket on wetnotes ).
I have a good lough when i do the same profile with guys
that still remain uw. watching thair VR3 and im on board
having launch.
Deco takes place in your body not on your wrist.
Manos.
www.dir.cy.net
Why should i use a computer in tech dives ?
Over 45m we dont even need the tables , we decompress on the fly. ( The calculations are so simple to be done underwater ).
Below 45m. Tables . ( in my pocket on wetnotes ).
I have a good lough when i do the same profile with guys
that still remain uw. watching thair VR3 and im on board
having launch.
Deco takes place in your body not on your wrist.
Manos.
www.dir.cy.net
flw
Guest
For a message intended for the inexperienced, I think that is a dangerous attitude to take - I know you can work out deco without a computer for sub 45m dives however it isn't something that you learn overnight, it takes time and experience - and what works for one isn't always going to work for the next. it also depends very much on what sort of profile you are doing, water temperature etc etc etc ( ie too many variables!)
The implication in faster deco versus vr3 is that somehow less is better - while I agree that if you use the right deco curve you will need less time making it a race is a bad idea.
When someone has worked out exactly how off gassing really works, and can then apply it to a large variety of individuals, then being prescriptive and fast may be fine - until then everyone is better off doing what works for them, and if that involves doing an extra 5 minutes which may or may not be required then fine.
love and hugs
F
The implication in faster deco versus vr3 is that somehow less is better - while I agree that if you use the right deco curve you will need less time making it a race is a bad idea.
When someone has worked out exactly how off gassing really works, and can then apply it to a large variety of individuals, then being prescriptive and fast may be fine - until then everyone is better off doing what works for them, and if that involves doing an extra 5 minutes which may or may not be required then fine.
love and hugs
F
Ah, the Luddites from the Amish Diving Society have established a cult in Cyprus. Interesting!P.S.---I just did NOT REALIZE that decompression is actually a RACE to get to the surface, with boats (he did say "launch") as the prize! Or did that mean "lunch"?
Hey, I'm all for sandwiches!!!
Karl_in_Calif
Banned
True, true. My first clue about that as well was on one of the tech boards.
By the way, I did not get to vote in the poll. My vote is for Suunto as well!
a race to get out of the water is a dangerous thing..
The vr3 does give some long shallow stops, thats because of its buhlman core.. if you use your GUE endorced software and run a GF factor dive, youll have just as long or longer unless you get very agressive with the gf-lo-gf-high settings.. On the VR3 if you skip your deep stop you really get hammered on the shallow stops as a penalty for skipping the deep stuff..
Tables are great for square profiles but useless for exploration multi level diving.. I have done lots of deep dives that start at 100m at work up, following a set of tables based on a square profile would keep you in the water forever and trying to plan a multi level dive on an unknown site is hit or miss, thats where a computer with real time deco shines.. Its not a substitue for predive planning for worse case scenarios.. also if you follow the GUE recommended rules for ocean diving you are only doing 90 minute ocean dives anyway, so your decos and bt are pretty limited... The dives listed on the website (your signature) why even bother... only 13 mins at 73m.. that deserves at least 30 minutes at minimum, personally I usually run 45 to an hour at that depth....
Personally I own the explorer, VR3 and hammerhead deco computers. On deep multi level dives the explorer can get you out of the water pretty quickly if you want... I'll set my buhlman computers agressive and follow all the rgbm deep stops so both end up clearing within reason..
Read the current article in Advanced Diver Magazine about Zero G.. The dives we did would be impossible to do under tables(unrealistic on OC also).. We all carried worse case tables as bailout but I definately wouldn't want to follow them unless I absolutely had to.. instead of being out of the water in 2 to 3.5 hours total run time (depending on the dive) some of them would have required double the deco time, since you really couldn't plan the dives as multilevel ahead of time..
The constant PO2 was a real asset for the dives we were performing...
And all of the rest in-between...Very well said, sir! Thank you for your knowledge and input!
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