Hihi, no cave in the Netherlands. But I know that Germany can be strange. With a TDI certificate you aren't allowed to dive alone in Brilon (you must hire a guide). I asked why, because iantd, gue, nacd are accepted there, but TDI not. They didn't answer. So I don't know the reason. Maybe it's the depth of 40 m. but if you have a certificate to dive deeper, whats the problem? And a normal iantd full cave is for 40m. depth too. I know a lake in Germany where only CMAS divers are allowed to dive. So I can dive there, because I have CMAS 3*, but my friend won't, because he has PADI AOW. Germany don't like Padi certificates I think (another place: padi aow: 25m. depth, cmas 2*: 40m. depth, both advanced open water diver). France only CMAS? I don't know.
TDI Full cave not always accepted?
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For Jago:
"Of course, most if not all french cave sites don't require any cert or entrance fee."
****, so there is somebody cheating, because many guys I know, who went to dive to French caves, were charged for diving.
"FSGT, SNMP and ANMP but foreign CMAS 3* (both instructors and divers) are not recognized."
And isn’t it bit dumb? Not to recognize foreign associations? For example take a look at Pascal Bernabe, Mr. Cave Diver. He is IT for cave diving of CMAS and TDI. Do you think that when he teaches, his TDI course could be worse than his CMAS course?
"Very open minded, you deserves to be french-diver."
Has nothing to do with opened mind, it’s just a matter of experience. For many PADI divers instead of being a buddy or guide I had to be au-pair or almost baby-sitter to them.
"Everything you have to know about french scuba diving rules is here. Unfortunately there isn't any official translation."
Why do I have a feeling, that is only about diving with pure air?
"Of course, most if not all french cave sites don't require any cert or entrance fee."
****, so there is somebody cheating, because many guys I know, who went to dive to French caves, were charged for diving.
"FSGT, SNMP and ANMP but foreign CMAS 3* (both instructors and divers) are not recognized."
And isn’t it bit dumb? Not to recognize foreign associations? For example take a look at Pascal Bernabe, Mr. Cave Diver. He is IT for cave diving of CMAS and TDI. Do you think that when he teaches, his TDI course could be worse than his CMAS course?
"Very open minded, you deserves to be french-diver."
Has nothing to do with opened mind, it’s just a matter of experience. For many PADI divers instead of being a buddy or guide I had to be au-pair or almost baby-sitter to them.
"Everything you have to know about french scuba diving rules is here. Unfortunately there isn't any official translation."
Why do I have a feeling, that is only about diving with pure air?
Which sites ?
I'm not responsible of this situation. I didn't approved these rules, actually I strongly support and supported full recognition to WRSTC / ANDI / TDI / GUE / NAUI & NauiTec / ISE ... certifications.
Because you are wrong. See the google trad of the 2nd link on the page : Google Traduction
Yes, that is still true. For exemple in the Nuttlarmine: www.bergwerktauchen.de under 'tauchvoraussetzungen' you can read it. It is in German.
Same with Schwalefeldmine. Miltitz you can dive with a TDI cert, but you need to have a trimix cert too if you want to do trimixdives (and need to have extra gas for rescue emergencies).
If you have an IANTD cert, then no problems in the mines in Germany. The reason is that the owners of the mines had problems with bad trained divers by some agencies. So they made a list of 'recognised agencies' themselves. Same reason that no rebreathers are allowed in some mines, or just after a checkdive and ccr cave cert. DPV never allowed. If an accident happens, they have big problems to hold an mine open for diving.
Same with Schwalefeldmine. Miltitz you can dive with a TDI cert, but you need to have a trimix cert too if you want to do trimixdives (and need to have extra gas for rescue emergencies).
If you have an IANTD cert, then no problems in the mines in Germany. The reason is that the owners of the mines had problems with bad trained divers by some agencies. So they made a list of 'recognised agencies' themselves. Same reason that no rebreathers are allowed in some mines, or just after a checkdive and ccr cave cert. DPV never allowed. If an accident happens, they have big problems to hold an mine open for diving.
yes, you read it correct. GUE and ISE are not mentioned twice, but there is written that the cave2 (full cave) certs are accepted, AND the cave1 of gue and ise.
In German there is written;
Full Cave zertifizierte Personen folgender Verbände: IANDT, NACD, NSS/CDS, GUE, ISE, UTD, PATD, CMAS CH sowie GUE und ISE Cave 1 Taucher können ohne Check Dive im Schieferbergwerk Nuttlar tauchen.
The reason for c1 of gue and ise is that an intro to cave diver is not allowed to dive T's and a gue/ise c1 diver 1. So they can dive then parts of the 'cave1 section, called 'Katze''. They still have to dive within their certification limits.
Rebreather diving is in this mine no problem if you have a ccr cave card. Rebreather diving in 2 other mines is prohibited (or just a small group after checkdives and ccr cave card are accepted).
Confusing? maybe, but I never had problems to get in the mines, even not with a ccr. As you follow the rules you can dive what you want.
You dive on private area, but if there an accident happens it is possible you have to close for all diving activities. So better safe than sorry.
In German there is written;
Full Cave zertifizierte Personen folgender Verbände: IANDT, NACD, NSS/CDS, GUE, ISE, UTD, PATD, CMAS CH sowie GUE und ISE Cave 1 Taucher können ohne Check Dive im Schieferbergwerk Nuttlar tauchen.
The reason for c1 of gue and ise is that an intro to cave diver is not allowed to dive T's and a gue/ise c1 diver 1. So they can dive then parts of the 'cave1 section, called 'Katze''. They still have to dive within their certification limits.
Rebreather diving is in this mine no problem if you have a ccr cave card. Rebreather diving in 2 other mines is prohibited (or just a small group after checkdives and ccr cave card are accepted).
Confusing? maybe, but I never had problems to get in the mines, even not with a ccr. As you follow the rules you can dive what you want.
You dive on private area, but if there an accident happens it is possible you have to close for all diving activities. So better safe than sorry.
ise c1 is 1 gap and 1 jump. So a little difference with gue C1. But both more than intro to cave from other agencies. But if you dive the mines you are limited to the rules of your cert.
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