TDI Advanced Wreck

[Robert H. Diver]

Yep as the books were also posted on my FB page as well as here. He snagged Taming of the Slough immediately. Another friend wanted the reg book you got, but he was too slow.

Guess I’ll just have to read Caverns Measureless to Man again

 

[Marie13]

Guess I’ll just have to read Caverns Measureless to Man again

I didn’t like the Slough book as much as Caverns. Other people I know feel the same way.

 

[PEDiver]

I didn’t like the Slough book as much as Caverns. Other people I know feel the same way.

I own both and I've read Slough one time but I've read Caverns at least three times. Such a great book all around.

 

[Robert H. Diver]

I didn’t like the Slough book as much as Caverns. Other people I know feel the same way.

My current reading, 2 I got from you of course.

 

[PEDiver]

My current reading, 2 I got from you of course.

Not trying to derail the convo, but I've been really enjoying reading Guy's book as well. So many great stories from the early days of cave diving.

 

[kensuf]

Why so?

A friend of mine, who is a good friend of his, says he's in the DR doing some commercial diving work.

 

[lukeb]

the Advanced Wreck course in Key Largo and dive the Spiegel Grove. I lived on her for about 18 months. We just need to schedule it out far enough.

I am definitely interested if you would be running a class down in Largo!

 

[boriss]

So I scooped up the Advanced Wreck book that @Marie13 had up. Does TDI really think this pamphlet is worth $40?

Lol, yeah, the wreck material sucks, but they need to charge you for something. The time with a good instructor is where the value comes in.

I'm probably going to go back to James at MIA Technical Diving. I did my other deco courses with him.

I would talk to @tmassey he did a couple of Chatterton courses. I'm not sure if Chatterton is compatible with the more DIR oriented cave diving mindset.

James Blackman and Jeff Knapp are both great! If you haven't been to the engine rooms in the Spiegel you're in for a treat! Those are some of my favorite dives so far. Can't wait to go back on CCR so I can spend some serious time in there.

Why so?

I talked to him last year, he said he's too busy with a project.

 

[Capt Jim Wyatt]

I find all of the JC bashing around here fascinating

I have not seen any JC bashing. JC is an excellent instructor whose reputation precedes him. I have been in the water on the Spiegel Grove with him.

I cannot understand how strobes placed in the wreck at such a distance that a siltout would certainly prevent the wreck diver from seeing from one strobe to the other strobe is a better idea and safer than running a proper line. It defies logic.

Older video I made in the forward engine Room of the Spiegel Grove

 

[kensuf]

I have not seen any JC bashing. JC is an excellent instructor whose reputation precedes him. I have been in the water on the Spiegel Grove with him.

I cannot understand how strobes placed in the wreck at such a distance that a siltout would certainly prevent the wreck diver from seeing from one strobe to the other strobe is a better idea and safer than running a proper line. It defies logic.

Older video I made in the forward engine Room of the Spiegel Grove

I don't want to be seen as promoting the strobe idea, but I think what's missing in most forum posts is the discussions that were held in class about guidelines, strobes, and progressive penetration and the framing in which each may be appropriate.

I need to be clear, I'm not stating my own opinions here, I'm simply relaying the content of the discussions I had with Alec (who is from the "JC school") during my class.

One of the important parts that is emphasized is the use of progressive penetration and really knowing where you are in the wreck. As part of the progressive penetration idea that is emphasized, a person should be building a map in their head of where they are and not extending too far beyond that on any given dive. In terms of a guideline, we ran reels in the class but it was emphasized that a person should be able to have an idea of where they are by touch contact with the structure - "a wall feels like a wall, a door feels like a door, a porthole feels like a porthole" - rather than just using the guideline only as a means of navigating.

When it comes to using strobes, it's emphasized that they should only be used where they may make sense. Example of when strobes may make sense: a narrow walkway where the diver is going to be able to feel the left and right walls. Even if there's a side passage coming out of the walkway in the middle, they should be able to ignore that door if they built that mental map and know where they are.

Another example is on top of deco bottles to make them easier to find/spot -- personally I've been doing this at Eagles Nest with my 70' bottle for years (even though they're clipped to the line, I still hang a strobe).

For some context, when I teach a cave class I have my students run a reel, but also look at the cave and get a good look at their surroundings so they should have an idea of where they are based on the features they see, I bet you probably do something similar. That's kind of a similar context to the discussions I had with Alec.