tangential issues from a mishap thread

[ScubaSteve]

. . . and all we can do is realize that anything can happen to anyone!

So do nothing to possibly prevent things? Throw in the towel up front? Give in before you start?

 

[coldwatercanada]

Lets put it this way lets say everything was done correctly by the instructors and helpers and nothing could have been changed and the student died? Sometimes **** just happens, im not saying all dive accidents can't be prevented but sometimes they cant.

 

[coldwatercanada]

if there was a 1-1 ration and both pros had pony bottles? you know what i mean? who knows it just seems that for the level of instruction Northwest offers id be surprised if it was instructor error. dive accidents happen all the time

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

if there was a 1-1 ration and both pros had pony bottles? you know what i mean? who knows it just seems that for the level of instruction Northwest offers id be surprised if it was instructor error. dive accidents happen all the time

That sounds way too much like a "boys will be boys" rationalization.

Dive accidents SHOULD NOT "happen all the time" in a class setting. Unless it can be proven to be something completely beyond his control, if an accident occurs during a class, the instructor is ultimately responsible.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Blue Sparkle]

Lets put it this way lets say everything was done correctly by the instructors and helpers and nothing could have been changed and the student died? Sometimes **** just happens, im not saying all dive accidents can't be prevented but sometimes they cant.

True, and I suppose there are some accidents or incidents that we can't learn anything from by discussing. But many we can.

 

[flots am]

Lets put it this way lets say everything was done correctly by the instructors and helpers and nothing could have been changed and the student died? Sometimes **** just happens, im not saying all dive accidents can't be prevented but sometimes they cant.

Taking a diver on a dive that's beyond his training, then losing him doesn't seem to fall into the "done correctly category".

What would have changed the outcome is if the diver was actually ready to do the dive with his buddy and didn't need constant monitoring by "professionals" (which didn't seem to have helped very much in this case).

If the diver had been sufficiently trained and had been ready for the dive, the skills that should have been taught in Open Water would have been enough to have brought him safely to the surface, either alone or with his buddy.

flots.

 

[coldwatercanada]

yah your right once your properly trained youll never panic i forgot actually theres a padi no panic diver course

 

[coldwatercanada]

Tell you what guys ill make you a deal once the investigations over lets all sit down and have a talk about it hmmmm???? Ill get face to face with anyone on this board just not till we have facts to argue about. Everyones an expert behind there cpu!!!

 

[flots am]

yah your right once your properly trained youll never panic i forgot actually theres a padi no panic diver course

Since beating a dead horse doesn't cause any more damage, I'll give it a go.

• Panic is the result of not properly handling stress.
• Recognizing and dealing with stress-causing events as they occur can eliminate panic.
• I'm not PADI and don't know what they teach, but many agencies have a "Diver Stress & Rescue" class that teaches how to recognize and handle stress before it becomes panic.
• Proper dive and gas planning, buddy skills and a little judgement could easily have given this dive a different outcome.

With thousands of dives, I would expect you to know this.

flots

 

[Thalassamania]

And many of us include diver stress (and rescue) in both lecture, pool and o/w for entry level training.