Suunto Tech RGBM dive profiles...

[MilosDj]

For some (yet) unknown reason, I am unable to install Suunto DM5 software on my computer. So I need little help.

Can someone please, post several dive profiles using Suunto Tech RGBM. I want to know what are the differences in P -2, P -1, P0, P1, P2 dive profiles. Using only air (no nitrox switching for deco). On 55m or 62m 1min bottom time.

I would do it myself, but that software has mind of it's own...

 

[fmerkel]

DM5 kind of sucks, lots of problems. Try DM4, or even 3.1. Can't seem to find a copy of DM4 right now. Seems to have been removed from everywhere.

 

[MilosDj]

Fixed

If anyone needs, here's a direct link for offline version. Hope it helps someone.

https://movescount-dm4.s3.amazonaws.com/WindowsOfflineInstallationPacket_SuuntoDM5_ver1_2_46.zip

 

[blac86]

Hi, I don't know you but I care deeply about your health and safety. Please don't use a suunto (or other rgbm model computer) as your primary decompression computer or dive planner. I don't want you to get hurt.

 

[tomfcrist]

Hi, I don't know you but I care deeply about your health and safety. Please don't use a suunto (or other rgbm model computer) as your primary decompression computer or dive planner. I don't want you to get hurt.

That's pretty baseless. Care to elaborate?

 

[blac86]

Starting with suuntos own literature http://ns.suunto.com/pdf/Suunto_Dive_Fused_RGBM_brochure_EN.pdf

Let's examine some very shocking things they r try to brush off in a hurry. "... depending on diver behavior suuntos model will adjust M - values downward... ¡¡¡NOTE THAT M VALUES ARE ONLY RELEVANT TO THE DECOMPRESSION MODEL SO IT ISNT IMPROTANT TO INDERSTAND THEM!!!"

It's actually pretty important to understand m values if you plan on having an informed talk about decompression

M values are mathematically constants relating to pressures at depth and the effects gradient pressure changes have on the body. THE MODEL HAS TO ALTER A ******* CONSTANT TO PRODUCE A RESULT THAT IS EVEN CLOSE TO SAFE BECAUSE RAW RGBM BENDS DIVERS.

Also the Dan and NEDU studies that completely discredited any benefit of bubble models and actually showed and increased incidence of dcs from bubble models.

 

[tomfcrist]

THE MODEL HAS TO ALTER A ******* CONSTANT TO PRODUCE A RESULT THAT IS EVEN CLOSE TO SAFE BECAUSE RAW RGBM BENDS DIVERS.

So does raw Buhlmann.

Also the Dan and NEDU studies that completely discredited any benefit of bubble models and actually showed and increased incidence of dcs from bubble models.

Ahh..the famous NEDU study. Without going into this too deeply(god knows it's been beat to death), what about that study has any bearing on technical diving?

Do divers get bent diving ALL models? Yup.

Is there any legit evidence showing either VPM or RGBM bending divers more frequently than dissolved gas models as it relates to technical diving? Nope.

Have VPM and RGBM been used for tens of thousands of technical dives with an acceptable rate of safety? Yup.

 

[rongoodman]

to pressures at depth and the effects gradient pressure changes have on the body. THE MODEL HAS TO ALTER A ******* CONSTANT TO PRODUCE A RESULT THAT IS EVEN CLOSE TO SAFE BECAUSE RAW RGBM BENDS DIVERS.

The problem is that since Suunto's algorithm is proprietary you can't really say much about it's relationship to RGBM or any other model.

 

[KevinNM]

RGBM has a history. Do a google search for the phase 'really good bends model'.

 

[tomfcrist]

First of all Abyss was a bad rendition of RGBM. Nobody denies that.

Second, go ahead and read it yourself. Dude was doing 1000fsw dives...and getting bent. No ****.

What's even better, is that after getting bent using abyss on 1000' dives, he did more 1000' dives on the same damn software. Should it surprise him that he got bent?