Sun Diver trip to back side of Catalina Sept 5

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Alexandra

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This was my first and last trip on the Sun Diver, out of Long Beach!

First of all, we were told that only 3 or 4 people would be sleeping on the boat. So, since they changed their departure to 6am because of the trip to the back side of Catalina being longer, we decided to head out there Sunday night. When we got there around midnight, we were very upset to find all the bunks taken and no where to sleep. We had to scramble to find a local hotel nearby and pay for the room for barely 4hrs of sleep.
When I pointed this out to the captain the next day, no apology was offered just the comment that it was unusual.

We then got back to the boat around 5:40 only to wait till 6:50 to leave because of 1 diver being late. Unbelievable that they held up 23 divers who were all there on time for one diver who thought the departure was 7am.

The cost of the trip was $95 instead of their usual $85, just because it was labor day. They also charge you for everything, although that wasn't made clear on their web site. Breakfast is $5, bagels $1, sodas $1, lunch, snacks... and they also charge for each air fill!

They had 24 people on the boat but said they could take 26. I thought it was already 6 people too many at 24. The layout of the boat stinks for diving. All the tanks are strapped on the floor around the front of the boat. Very very inconvenient to prep and put on, and even more so when there is a crowd.
the gally was quite small, the camera space inexistant.

The crossing to the back side seemed to take forever and we didn't actually start our first dive till almost 10:30am. We didn't get back to dock till 8:15pm.

I was also surprised at the attitude of the passengers on board. It was a mix of experienced (so called "tech divers" with doubles and a lazy diver propellers) and not so experienced ("what direction does the reg go on?") divers but not particularly pleasant or chatty, and certainly not concious of others around them, like keeping to their own space.

I'll post photos of the dives later this evening.

- Alexandra
 
Hi Alexandra,

Wow!

What a huge contrast to the trip that a 9 of us from ScubaBoard took on the Sundiver on Saturday. I believe that there were 24 of us on the boat that day.

We had a great time and the other people on the boat were very considerate, which may be why we had no problem with the layout of the boat. The crew and captain were very helpful. Everyone on the boat was very friendly and we all knew each other by the time we got off the boat.

Sorry your day was not so pleasant. It just sounds like an off day all around.

I've been out with the Sundiver before and had an equally goood time. I guess it's just the luck of the draw.

I hope that after all that at least the dives were good and that you got some good photos. I still can't get over how cool that photo album you showed us was. It looked like a coffee table book!

Christian
 
Hi Alexandra,

Sorry you didn't enjoy the trip. I was one of the two divers who was late -- we were really embarrassed and, as we said at the time, very sorry for keeping you and everyone else waiting. It was an honest misunderstanding.

The trip out took so long because Capt. Ray went the extra mile (and then some) to find the best diving possible on the day. Not many trips run around the east end so it was nice to get up that way -- we encountered a 400+ pound black sea bass that was REALLY curious to see a diver and gave me a close inspection.

And, in my opinion, he found some great conditions. The last dive especially was fantastic -- any time you have ~100-foot vis, yellowtail, and black sea bass on a dive, I think it's pretty freakin' awesome.

dasalomon:
We didn't get back to dock till 8:15pm.

You are mistaken about the return time. Even though Ray went a long way in search of good conditions and the boat had a fuel filter problem that slowed the last few miles of the return crossing, we arrived at the dock before 7:17 p.m. (I know exactly because my wife called my cell as I was stepping off the boat. In fact, I dropped my friend off at his house and met my wife for dinner in Pasadena before 8:30 p.m.)

I'm sorry you had a bad trip -- I thought it was one of the best of the year so far.

Sorry again for the delayed departure.

Jon Davies
 
Wow bad day!

But to their credit, I had a great time on Saturday. I had never been on that boat before and knew from their website that food and fills weren't included. I slept on the boat on Friday night and there was only 3 of us, so "unusual" is probably accurate, I think they have 14 bunks, most doubles, so they can't accomodate everyone if full, so it's a first come first serve type thing. I don't know what you'd expect him to say or do.

Was it $10 more because of Labor Day or because it was a trip to the backside of the Island, the latter seems more reasonable especially with fuel prices. Before fuel prices went through the roof another dive boat charged me an extra $5 fuel surcharge with no notice for a normal frontside trip.

I do agree the layout of boat leaves something to be desired, I geared up on the bow and just donned my bc/tank/fins on the stern. Our group was pretty friendly and relaxed so we made it work, but with another crowd, I could see how this would frustrate some.

Better luck next time. For what it's worth, I liked the Layout of the Sand Dollar out of San Pedro, enough room for gear and tanks not on the ground, all-inclusive (except nitrox fills), with bunks for everyone!

-Garrett
 
Sorry your experience on the Sundiver was not a good one. I've talked to a number of divers who love the boat. Personally, I've never gone on board. I did try several times a year or two ago, but I never got an answer to my e-mails or phone calls and when I went to their office, no one was there.
 
I think this is a matter of not understanding (maybe not researching) the realities of the situation prior to signing up. In my short diving career I've been out on a number of different boats, and can give you my feedback on the Sundiver compared to other boats. The Sundiver is slow paced and not in a hurry for any particular outcome. I had the pleasure of attending the first Mo2vation dive last Saturday, and saw some of the same shortcomings. For example, we waited an extra 30 minutes past our planned 7 am departure because the "galley girl" was late. The trip over to the frontside Catalina was exceptionally slow at slightly under 9 mph. By the time we got to dive, the wind was already coming up- finding sites that were not "blown-out" for the second and third dives took a considerable amount of (wasted) time. And we ended up getting back to the dock at about 7 pm, which meant home later than I would have preferred.

So if time and efficency is your goal, I agree Sundiver is likely not your boat. On the other hand, I had a chance to meet a number of very nice people, and visiting helped pass away the time. I learned a lot about shore diving, which made me even more confident in my decision to stick with boat-diving. In the end Capt. Ray managed to deliver us to some good dive sites, and we actually had a 60 minute third dive. No one was standing on the boat yelling at us to get back aboard, hurry we have to leave.

You have to realize that $85 is on the very low end of pricing for a 3 tank boat dive. Food, drink and fills are not included, but generally still add up to less than some of the other trips where they are included. Or so what, you can bring your own. And the sleeping over the night before is definitely a courtesy, not an expectation. I can't imagine expecting an apology for not having a bunk for you! All of the info about what you get and what you pay is clearly stated on the sundiver website.

If you have more money to spend, you might consider a couple of alternatives. You could try the Seabass (san Pedro); they are often chartered by aqua adventures unlimited, and you could get an open boat slot through them. There is a 7 am departure (frontside) and in the 3 times I have been on, we have left right on time, even knowing that all the "signed up and paid" divers were not present. Count on returning to the dock by 3pm, free food and fills, and pay something on the order of $125. Also been out a couple of times on the Psalty V, which is a 6-pack boat out of San Pedro, and is often whole boat chartered, but sometimes has 1 and 2 slot open boat openings. Similar fast over-back, uncrowded, free food/fills, but pay $150. Both have websites with the details.

I think it's mostly aligning your expectations with the reality of the situation. I had low expectations of efficiency and speed, and high expectations of social fun. Both expectations were exceeded.
 
I only noticed after the dives (go figure) that I had a problem with my strobes. So, unfortunately, most of my photos came out too dark and too blue.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/alexandraintl/album?.dir=/b0b2&.src=ph&.tok=phnQdlDBW4Z9oRJm

The first dive on the back side of Catalina (I think the site was called Al's funky kelp) was nice but 20' vis. The last dive of the deck was at Hen Rock and we had great vis, fantastic sea life, kelp, sea bass, etc.

- Alexandra
 
jondavies:
Hi Alexandra,

And, in my opinion, he found some great conditions. The last dive especially was fantastic -- any time you have ~100-foot vis, yellowtail, and black sea bass on a dive, I think it's pretty freakin' awesome.


Jon Davies

Jon, did you use one of those lazy diver propellers?

lol, Scott
 
dasalomon:
I only noticed after the dives (go figure) that I had a problem with my strobes. So, unfortunately, most of my photos came out too dark and too blue.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/alexandraintl/album?.dir=/b0b2&.src=ph&.tok=phnQdlDBW4Z9oRJm

The first dive on the back side of Catalina (I think the site was called Al's funky kelp) was nice but 20' vis. The last dive of the deck was at Hen Rock and we had great vis, fantastic sea life, kelp, sea bass, etc.

- Alexandra
I enjoyed the slide show!

Thanks for sharing those pics.

Christian
 

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