stuff that should be in ow class

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i sitting hear looking at diff website at diff regulators and octos and all this good stuff and i have no clue how to hook all the hoses up because this wasn't covered in class ya i know how to put it on the tank but buying it and and hooking all the hoses up no clue i sure its easy but i think it should be covered


and a just wondering thing
has anyone used a 2 regulator as a octo i know they cost so much more but wondering if anyone used 2 regs or to octos instead of a reg no i would not do the to octos but just wondering if anyone has
 
horsemen:
i sitting hear looking at diff website at diff regulators and octos and all this good stuff and i have no clue how to hook all the hoses up because this wasn't covered in class ya i know how to put it on the tank but buying it and and hooking all the hoses up no clue i sure its easy but i think it should be covered


and a just wondering thing
has anyone used a 2 regulator as a octo i know they cost so much more but wondering if anyone used 2 regs or to octos instead of a reg no i would not do the to octos but just wondering if anyone has

it was covered in my class bro. as to your question, i dont understand your question? do you mean using two octos one as your primary and backup? or two identical second stages? you only have one regulator: first and second stage. first stage (attachted to tank, where 2nd stage attached. second stage your primary mouthpiece and your octo as backup.
 
horsemen:
i was talking about identical second stages as primary and back up or useing a octo as a primary and another octo as back up octo as in http://scubatoys.com/store/altair/pics/viperocto.jpg

You just puzled by the different colours? Octo's are working just like the main one's the colour just to make more visible no worries use in any way you want just make sure your buddy knows wich one to grab in case of OOA...
 
horsemen:
i was talking about identical second stages as primary and back up or useing a octo as a primary and another octo as back up octo as in http://scubatoys.com/store/altair/pics/viperocto.jpg

you can do that why not, expensive though if you have two identical second stages. you can get a cheaper one for your octo. as for two second stages both octos one primary and one backup it can be done. feel free to mix and match but i would dive better with one good primary and a cheaper one for my backup octo
 
horsemen:
i sitting hear looking at diff website at diff regulators and octos and all this good stuff and i have no clue how to hook all the hoses up because this wasn't covered in class ya i know how to put it on the tank but buying it and and hooking all the hoses up no clue i sure its easy but i think it should be covered


and a just wondering thing
has anyone used a 2 regulator as a octo i know they cost so much more but wondering if anyone used 2 regs or to octos instead of a reg no i would not do the to octos but just wondering if anyone has

As a new diver you probably don't want to be hosing up your set, just to be on the safe side. The regulators usually have 3 types of ports.
*HP for your SPG and maybe a computer transmitter
*Primary Intermediate pressure, best reserved for your high flow second stages
*Secondary Intermediate pressure for BC inflator, drysuit etc.
Getting them all going in the best direction varries with each model and personal configuration.

As for Octo/Safe second they are interchangeable with a few caveats
Your Primary second stage will be the better of the 2 assuming they are not identical and will be tuned to breath freely.
The second stage designated as your safe second will be tuned to breathe a little stiffer for prevent unwanted free flows as you move in the water.
In many cases they are otherwise one in the same except for the high visibility yellow cover.

Pete
 
horsemen:
i sitting hear looking at diff website at diff regulators and octos and all this good stuff and i have no clue how to hook all the hoses up because this wasn't covered in class ya i know how to put it on the tank but buying it and and hooking all the hoses up no clue i sure its easy but i think it should be covered

I don't teach my Open Water students how to change out hoses in a regulator. It's beyond the scope of the class, and we have a lot of other material to cover in the time frame allotted for the class. This is something you can either ask your LDS staff to show you, or learn from a mentor, or learn in a follow-on class. To use an analogy, when you took driver's ed, did they teach you how to fix a flat, or change the oil in your car? Probably not. That doesn't mean they should ... it's not the purpose of the class.

On the other hand, I would have no problem showing a student how to do it outside the scope of a class, where we could spend a bit of time in the shop just sitting around asking and answering questions like the ones you're posing here. But in OW class, there's already so much going on that most students have difficulty retaining it all.

horsemen:
and a just wondering thing
has anyone used a 2 regulator as a octo i know they cost so much more but wondering if anyone used 2 regs or to octos instead of a reg no i would not do the to octos but just wondering if anyone has

Yes, I use two regular second stages on most of my regulators. The difference between an regulator and an octopus is generally that the octopus is "detuned" to breathe less sensitively. That's to prevent it from free-flowing when you get in the water. But many regulators come with "tuning" knobs where you can set the adjustment on the diaphragm that determines how well the regulator will breathe. You can set it all the way tight, so that the regulator won't free-flow. But if you do that, as part of your normal buddy check, you should explain that to your buddy ... because if you have to use it, it won't breathe very easily and you have to loosen up the knob in order for it to perform properly.

If you breathe off your regular second stage, then breathe off your octopus, you'll often (depending on model) notice that the octopus is noticeably harder to breathe off of ... that is why.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
One other difference is that the hose on an octo is usually a little bit longer than the one on your primary second stage regulator (without that your buddy would probably be a little too close in a LOA/OOA situation).
 
NWGratefulDiver:
when you took driver's ed, did they teach you how to fix a flat, or change the oil in your car? Probably not.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

Actually they did, but that's not to say that I disagree with you. There are so many other more important things that need to be covered in OW.
 
In a standard class there is no time to cover the ins and outs of gear, besides identification. Really there is just a 1st stage, and 2nd stage. The most standard gear configuration is using a 1st stage with two 2nd stages, primary and secondary. An octo is just a 2nd stage, usually "colored" and usually a slightly cheaper model than the primary 2nd stage, because it is not normally the main source of gas. I would recommend to anyone who is seriously interested in diving to try and take an extended course if you really wanna learn more about diving. I took a course at a university. It was 15 weeks, two days a week 2 and 1/2 hours a day. Plus occational night sessions. This was just open water.


edit 2 1/2 hours a day
 

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