storing tanks for winter..

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wreckedinri:
Actually it does matter. As a PSI inspector, for extended periods I advocate storing both steel and aluminum cylinders "nearly" empty for the reasons stated in the following article.


Note: This is merely a portion of the interview, the whole interview may be found at:http://www.luxfercylinders.com/news/releases/19991028.shtml.

Regards,
Dennis

Aluminium Tanks - What Every Diver Should Know
An interview with Bill High, President of PSI Inc.

by Dave Moran



October 28, 1999

"DM: How long has PSI been involved with cylinder testing and investigations?

BH: I formed PSI, Inc. (initially called Professional Scuba Inspectors) in 1982, following three years of research. I had completed four years as NAUI's president and was looking for another way to serve the diving community. Our first seminar was conducted in January 1983. We have trained over 10,000 inspectors for military, government, hydrostatic retesting, dive and fire industries in North America, and at numerous international locations. We have 65 instructors in ten countries conducting nearly 200 seminars each year.

. . . .

Does storing a full cylinder for long periods - several weeks or months - have a detrimental effect on its structural strength?

There are several considerations when making this decision. In a clean dry cylinder, clean dry air will store quite nicely for long periods, certainly a year or more. Poorly filtered air containing various hydrocarbons or other contaminants could deteriorate in quality over weeks or months. The cylinder itself is designed for a sustained pressure load during its entire life. If moisture is left in the cylinder, then the increased oxygen in a full cylinder will contribute to more rapid corrosion that in turn could weaken the cylinder dramatically over a matter of months.

More importantly, internal corrosion activity will reduce the oxygen content of the air. In the USA we have two examples of oxygen depletion in steel cylinders (corrosion is more rapid in steel). Following three months of storage, a corroded cylinder contained only 15% oxygen, a near-deadly deficiency. Analysis of a dead diver's air supply in a heavily corroded steel cylinder revealed a deadly 6% oxygen content. The University of Rhode Island's study of cylinder internal corrosion reveals that under equal conditions of moisture in cylinders, aluminium cylinders fare much better, so air stored in aluminium cylinders may retain its quality longer.

There is one additional consideration for aluminium cylinders. Because of its low tolerance for heat, and where there is potential for the aluminium cylinder to be involved in a fire, there is merit in storing the cylinder either full or nearly empty (about 20 psig). A 3000 psig aluminium cylinder containing less than about 1500 psig is at risk of exploding in a fire. The metal will lose its strength before the heat causes a rise in internal pressure sufficient to activate the pressure relief device (burst disc).

. . . "


PS: I admit that AL cylinders can be stored full also . . . but do we want to possibly risk our local Firefighter's lives on a burst disc?

I'm a TDI inspector. I've read High's book, along with a few others. If the fill contents are going to corrode the interior of the tank, then you need to find a new place to get fills. My fills are clean. There shouldn't be anything in the air that will corrode the metal. As for the exploding pressure, that's been discussed at length here and on other boards. The heat required to increase the pressure enough to cause the tank to explode is too hot for a firefighter to be in the building anyway.
 
I'd like to dive later in the summer but without dry-suit and charters that are leaving like at 9am..It's a bit too cold. I wish I could dive near Vancouver sometimes...it's on my to do list...but it's more expensive (hotels and everything) then buying a package down to the caribean!!!

Assuming the more oxygen in the tank could cause my steel tank to corrode faster, it'd be wiser to store them with 100psi then.
 
Dive-aholic:
As for the exploding pressure, that's been discussed at length here and on other boards. The heat required to increase the pressure enough to cause the tank to explode is too hot for a firefighter to be in the building anyway.
Rob,

My take on this is that its not so much just the pressure alone as it is the heat needed to affect the integrity of the metal. As I recall this is really quite a low temperature.
 
I generally store my cylindars at 500 PSI, but for no particular reason. If there is a fire, the fire department will appreciate that there won't suddenly be 6 x 80 CF of air suddenly feeding the fire, the tank exploding, or even having the s**t scared out of them when the pressure disk goes.

There is a practical answer, I store my tanks in the basement during the winter, more to get them out of the way. I figure 4 or 5 pounds per tank times six tanks, that's 24 to 30 lbs I don't have to carry up and down those stairs. After several trips, every little bit helps.

Besides it gives me an excuse to go to the dive shop in the spring.
 
This last week I opened a steel tank that had its last viz in 1982 . Very clean except some flash rust in the bottom. A few months should not be a problem. The fire precautions sound like a good idea though.
 

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