Steam Machine Prizm?

[faye]

like wazza said, if there is a criteria for what passes a CE test then there must be written accesable information on set sriteria.

From what I have heard, the CE certification is like the ISO certification in north america. It is a set of procedures that the company follows in order to make a quality product. CE certifies the procedures not the machine. CE then would not actaully test the product, but would just verify that the company is complying with the procedures that they presented to CE.

I may be wrong

But if I am not, then you MUST be able to access the requirments to past CE testing.

 

[caveseeker7]

Wazza, you're right, the CE standards are European, not worldwide. Actually, European Community standards.

Faye, you're wrong, the CE certification is for the product, not the manufacturer or process. The product must be CE-labeled. Without that label they are for export only. For diving some examples: If you use a Dräger Dolphin or Ray, you must use Dräger Divesorb as scrubber material, because that is what the units are certified with. If your dive shop sells you a Scubapro reg it will have a Scubapro first stage, second stage and octo. Because the 1st and 2nd stages are certified as combos. If they add an Apeks octo, the CE-certification is nulified, the sale thus illegal.
Compare it more to the DOT stamp on tanks in the US. It's legal to own and use tanks without them (though it might be hard to find a fill station), but it is illegal to transport them across state lines.

As for what the RB standards are, or where to find those in general, Madmole can probably help both of you. He has quoted them repeatedly.

Stefan

 

[madmole]

Explanation of CE standards
http://www.eurunion.org/legislat/standard/standard.htm

I'm trying to get hold of the Actual CE standards and will serve them from my website. Its pretty comprehensive, and VERY relevent to rebreathers even covering things like hose connections must take a set load for a set time (How did the azimuth pass????). WOB, Scrubber duration measured under very exact conditions, Tolerance to cold and heat. Storage life and 1001 other things

For once a set of standards were written that are actually sensible. It would not hurt for ALL rebreatheres to be able to meet them. Its just when they apply (ie for personal imports and second hand sales) thats stupid

 

[faye]

I gotcha, second hand information sucks...

 

[wazza]

Hye every one

I was playing a bit with the V-Planner, and I found out that planning dives with higher PPO2 that 1.3 like 1.4 to 1.6 is better in a way that u can get out of the water faster, like if u are planning a normal air or mixed gas dive, but my question is if I planed a dive with 1.6 PPO2 for less than 45 minutes, cos of the o2 toxicity, don’t u think that it could a better idea than planning dive for 1.3 PPO2 and more O2 time that I don’t need ? just wondering? Thanks

And by the way for Abyss planner users Chriss added in the new version 2.40 a new area for the CCR,( but they are still working on it) what I am trying to say is what we can plan soon with the Abyss software a CCR dives. Sorry for my English.

 

[madmole]

True, but only if you are doing 1 short dive. Most times you want to dive at least twice and for longer than 45 mins and then you would be pushing your luck for an O-tox

1.3 is a good compromise, you can do 3 hours at that (same as a scrubber fill) and the difference in deco is minimal

If you dont understand the risks and benefits of changing O2 partial pressures you should not be playing with them or rebreathers

On the CE side I'm having fun., They want $300 for a copy of the formal standards and the bad news is that it costs $75,000 dollars to submit a rebreather for testing!!!!, now I can see why more dont do it

The standard even covers things like the materials used in the rebreather and their recycling and risk to humans and environment, Full functionaliy within 5 mins of being removed from a freezer, Technical specs, gas flows etc for valves, storage life values and a host of other things

 

[caveseeker7]

$300 just for a copy seems just as ridiculous as $75K for the testing.
Somebody is making a LOT of profit there ... wonder what the going rate for Italian testing is.

You sure about NATO? Does that mean MP5s are gonna get a CE stamp?
Wonder much does the standard for White Phosphorous grenades go for these days, and how they could be receycled ... :boom:

Anyway, I can't see smaller companies like ISC going for a CE cert under those circumstances. If Steammachines gets the military contract at least they'll be able to pursue it if they choose.

Didn't realize you could keep the Inspiration in the freezer. Cool. Literally.
And the scrubber is warmed up in just 5 Minutes ... :wacko:
Wonder about the battery life, though ... .

Stefan


PS: Wazza, are you certified? Don't worry about your English, worry about some of the questions you ask Don't get me wrong, it's good that you want to know, but it sounds like either you need to get certified or your instructor should have his license pulled. Please follow the mole's advice and make sure you know what you're doing before you fly RBs.

 

[madmole]

The Nato stuff is only for Personal Life support equipment and appears to be true. The US have apparently signed up already. Now I'd call an M16 personal life support if a load of Iraqi's are taking pot shots at you

Bit of a bummer for all the Mk15/16's etc out there as they fundamantally cant pass CE, so I see a lot of bending of those rules, Or they will CE in Italy.

 

[caveseeker7]

Or better yet: Lots and lots of cheap Mk15 flooding the US market, units and parts for nickel and dimes. Then add Kevin's control unit and *bingo*
there is the $3000 CCR with long scrubber times, excellent electronics and integrated computer.

 

[wazza]

Dear caveseeker7
First before I answer your question I would like to say something concerning the CE, when madmole had the last post with the link of the CE and I went there, and after reading and reading I was convinced that the inspiration is ZEE machine and why keep arguing about other machine if they are not CE . what I want to say if the machine is not CE lets not go into an argument. On the other hand after madmole’s last post about how much it cost to put it in a CE test…uhhh….wait here a bit, maybe there are good machines as the inspiration but people cant pay that much of money to do the CE. Anyway its nice to learn from every one about all of these machine, right.

Concerning your question caveseeker7 about if I am certified or not , my answer is not but I am reading a lot about the inspiration and actually I own one but yet unable to take the course for loads of reasons, but in Gods will very soon, though I already send the lib to AP Valve to be upgrade it. And soon I will be one of the gang,

One more thing maybe I am the only person who owns the machine but not certified yet, but I disassemble the machine and assemble it ever day, until I learned every single screw in it, of course with the help of madmole and his web ( that is why I keep asking him to continue the web) and some of the guys here, and this will make my course easier and will give me the chance to ask more complicated question, I believe my instructor will go through hell with me in the course cos of my questions. Ahahaha.

And thanks for all about answering my questions and not being upset with me. education is my weakness I like to learn more and more