SSI or IANTD Nitrox?

[Butch103]

was the requirement from my Nitrox instructor (NAUI) and 2 dives is the requirement from another dive instructor no matter what organization he does the cert under (PADI & NAUI).......Required under the organization guidelines ?? I dunno, but I agree theory is one thing, practical experience is another..............:boom:

 

[Soggy]

Butch103 once bubbled...
I agree theory is one thing, practical experience is another..............:boom:

Please explain how, in this context, the experience of diving nitrox is different from testing the knowledge of nitrox theory.

 

[Rick L]

Dont make me turn this into anouther pole question:bonk:
Rick L

 

[Soggy]

Rick L once bubbled...
Dont make me turn this into anouther pole question:bonk:
Rick L

I'm all for it, if it's like raxafarian's poll in NELD!

 

[roakey]

Jumping in the water and swimming around with Nitrox on your back teaches you absolutely nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. There's no in-water skills or anything specific to Nitrox to learn. It's a complete waste of time and money.

Being able to do the formulas and correctly analyze Nitrox is another matter, but that's all above water stuff.

Roak

 

[MikeFerrara]

AaronBBrown once bubbled...


Please explain how, in this context, the experience of diving nitrox is different from testing the knowledge of nitrox theory.

A nitrox test doesn't evealuate requisit skills such as having the ability and the disciplin to respect an mod specificaly of planned depth in general.

Your expeience teaching nitrox is relevant because it explains why you are not familiar with common mistakes of nitrox students (even those that do very well on the test).

If your theory was correct there wouldn't be any mistakes but there are. There is a difference between talking about a thing and doing it.

You are correct that planning a nitrox dive only requires a few extra steps over an planning an air dive. The problem is that most divers do a poor job of planning and executing an air dive.

I would never issue any diving related cert without seeing the student demonstrate applicable skills in the water. I see many many divers who can't control depth with precision. even though they take a test none of them will get a nitrox cert from me. I also see many divers working very hard when they dive due to improper weighting, trim and finning technique. Since Co2 retention is thought to predispose one to O2 toxicity I wouldn't issue such a diver a nitrox cert. The risk may be small within recreational limits but that isn't an excuse to ignor it.

Both PADI and IANTD allow us to combine nitrox dives with other training dives. This allows us to avoid extra dives while still being able to evaluate skills and the ability to plan and conduct the dive according to plan.

 

[Uncle Pug]

On the one hand nothing beats diving... that is what we want to do and why we even bother with stuff like EAN... so we can do more... so adding *experience dives* should be a treat

But on the other hand diving nitrox does nothing to further the diver education in using nitrox.

If you guys are really interested in your students understanding of nitrox then skip the useless *experience dive* crap and spend that time in further education while high~n~dry. ut:

However the truth is that diving nitrox is such a simple proposition that very little time is really needed to teach it and thus something else must be added to give the illusion that value exists in the class. :boom:

Course... most would be better off taking a DIRf anyway.=-)

 

[MikeFerrara]

roakey once bubbled...
Jumping in the water and swimming around with Nitrox on your back teaches you absolutely nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. There's no in-water skills or anything specific to Nitrox to learn. It's a complete waste of time and money.

Being able to do the formulas and correctly analyze Nitrox is another matter, but that's all above water stuff.

Roak

Buoyancy control, the overexertion that can result from the lack of BC and the ability to actually dive according to ones plan has nothing to do with diving nitrox?

Roak, I am both suprised and relieved that you have found new faith in the ability of your fellow divers. Or are you just against anything that sounds like it might result in an instructor or shop collecting money.

 

[Soggy]

After reading my Nitrox book I quickly came to the conclusion that all I need to know about life can be learned on scubaboard....I can honestly say that I already knew almost everything (and more) in the nitrox course.

This being said...I would never suggest that scubaboard replaces proper training. It was just as if I had done some pre-studying!

My LDS offers a study-at-home Nitrox course for $90. With that cost, you get two nitrox rental tanks to complete the dives. I guess the theory is if you come back in to return the tanks, then you must've done it right

 

[MikeFerrara]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...
On the one hand nothing beats diving... that is what we want to do and why we even bother with stuff like EAN... so we can do more... so adding *experience dives* should be a treat

But on the other hand diving nitrox does nothing to further the diver education in using nitrox.

If you guys are really interested in your students understanding of nitrox then skip the useless *experience dive* crap and spend that time in further education while high~n~dry. ut:

However the truth is that diving nitrox is such a simple proposition that very little time is really needed to teach it and thus something else must be added to give the illusion that value exists in the class. :boom:

Course... most would be better off taking a DIRf anyway.=-)

It's not only diving their nitrox plan that they need additional experience in it's diving their plan period they often need help with.