Spotting Man-o-war

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kidspot

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In 28 years of living here in Hawaii I've never seen one in the water (of course I didn't have a Rx mask till last year), but the last 2 times I took the neighbor kids to the beach at least one of them got stung (yesterday one of the kids had one leave welts from elbow to writs on one arm, around the wrist on another and around an ankle) we got out quick and applied a good dose of vinegar.

My question is how can I spot and or predict them before they start getting stung?

I read that they come in with the trade winds, but don't the trade winds blow 75% of the time?

suggestions?

Mahalo, Tim
 
When we go to Bellows we see them all the time. They are pretty small over here, but pretty easy to spot. They look like a small piece of clearish plastic floating then you see the pretty bluish/purple tentacles. So far (knock on wood) I haven'g gotten stung. Everybody that comes to visit gets stung though. They show up when the box jellyfish show up at Waikiki and Haunama (Hanauma) Bay.
 
I've only gotten on very small sting myself - about a year ago while on my first night dive (snorkeling) I got one caught between my mask and snorkel ... right on the lip, but not near as bad as the urchin I landed on a few minutes later :wink:

Aloha, Tim
 
We get them big in Florida...They can't propel themselves, depend on the wind for mobility...They can drag srings of stinging tentacles up to 30ft behind them...I had several minor stings, but a few years ago my son was surfing and duck dove under a wave...Got hammerred by a Man of War...he had welts from his face to his feet...he was one hurting puppy...he was out surfing the next day.

Joe
 
ch0ppersrule:
When we go to Bellows we see them all the time. They are pretty small over here, but pretty easy to spot. They look like a small piece of clearish plastic floating then you see the pretty bluish/purple tentacles. So far (knock on wood) I haven'g gotten stung. Everybody that comes to visit gets stung though. They show up when the box jellyfish show up at Waikiki and Haunama (Hanauma) Bay.


Yep, the fleet's in often at Bellows. I got stung on the face, neck, and arms on several occasions while diving at China Walls (Portlock, Koko Kai Park, whatever you want to call it). No fun. Didn't hurt too bad but looked like hell; red welts all over including my lips. The worst was when I was caught freediving outside and had to swim back in through them; diving down and swimming underneath worked only as long as a breath hold; then it was up and get a whipping.
 
kidspot:
.... one of them got stung (yesterday one of the kids had one leave welts from elbow to writs on one arm, around the wrist on another and around an ankle) we got out quick and applied a good dose of vinegar.

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I don't have the book in front of me but I don't think vinegar goes on man'o'war stings; it may cause the remaining nematocysts to fire. (Vinegar may be ok on box jelly stings.) Anyway, according to "All Stings Considered" by Craig Thomas and Susan Scott, if in doubt, the best treatment is conservative (standard medical "first, do no harm"); gently remove remaining tentacles and be alert for any anaphylactic allergic reaction (difficult breathing, sweats, nausea, faintness due to irregular heartbeat or weak pulse, unusual/worrying swellings, neurologic changes such as tingling, confusion, etc.). I think there's something about this in the Honolulu C&C lifeguard's website http://www.aloha.com/~lifeguards/index.html
 
bluemagoo:
I don't have the book in front of me but I don't think vinegar goes on man'o'war stings; it may cause the remaining nematocysts to fire. (Vinegar may be ok on box jelly stings.)

You are correct on both counts. Vinegar on Man O' War stings can make it worse. Use fresh or salt water. Normal jellies (Man O' War not a normal jelly) can get the vinegar/meat tenderizer treatment.
 
I didn't know that - we had used salt water first to rinse off, then the vinegar, so hopefully there wasn't much left to sting at that point.

Thanks for the info - very helpful...
 
From All Stings Considered, First Aid and Medical Treatment of Hawai’i’s Marine Injuries

Occurrence in strong onshore winds, into east and north shores during trade wind conditions (majority of time) and onto south and west during infrequent periods of Kona, or south winds.
Oahu’s estimated 50% box jelly and 50% Portague man-of war, except in Kona weather then majority were box jellyfish. In 1994 lifeguards treated approx 6,500 man-of-war and 8 were major stings needing additional treatment. No deaths have been reported (copyright is 1997) in Hawaii, and 3 deaths in the US. Big # of stings was at Waimanalo, then Bellows, then Kailua – other areas no where near the numbers reported. They are surface critters so theoretically not a problem for divers – I guess in particular those that look upon ascent – just another thing to be looking for up top. Wet suits really help and signs are posted. I know in Kona side (Big Island) the word gets out ASAP, some hotel beaches close with one sighting. Yep, “Scuba divers should look up while ascending, surfacing with one arm outstretched to protect their faces.”
Small people react more strongly – more venom per # body wt.

Initial symptom burning and reddening that subsides after 20 minutes to 1 hour with no treatment. Is usually less painful with shorter duration than that of a box jellyfish. Severe allergic reaction includes confusion, irregular heartbeat, difficulty breathing, elevated or lowered blood pressure and weakness. Delayed reactions can occur weeks later and persist for months – usually itch but no pain.

Treatment:
-Pick off visible tentacles with gloved hand, stick etc.
-Rinse with salt or fresh water thoroughly to remove any adhering nematocysts.
-Apply ice for pain.
-Irrigate eye stings with copious amounts of room temperature tap water for 15 minutes. After see physician if blurred vision, continuous tearing, pain, swell or light sensitive.
-Persistent itch, use 1% hydrocortisone 4 X day and Benedryl 1 – 2 every 6 hrs.

Yup, recent tests revealed vinegar discharged cysts – also mixed result from smaller cysts critters. Contradictory testing with meat tenderizer, papain, baking soda and commercial sprays – somebody died after papain sprayed – yike!. ALCOHOL and URINE caused massive cyst discharge in box jelly (Australian study) and not recommended.

Hawaii Portuguese man-of-war generally resolve with no additional treatment in 15 – 20 minutes – so even harmful therapies may appear to improve symptoms.
 

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