solo diving ordinance and local regulations attachment

[Berdman]

Anyone know about wisconsin???

 

[CrazyYak]

If diving ordinances are being passed / enforced in your state you guys / gals should protest. It's not the government's business if we are diving with buddies or not. I'm sure this whole thing started in California (I apologize if it didn't). There's too many candy-*** politicians making the rules in general. If someone wants to kill themselves then let them, there's too many people on the planet anyway. For God sakes, this is rediculous...

 

[CrazyYak]

You are referring to Section 18.21.030
INTERESTING!
"(b) Authorized Order to Discontinue Skin Diving or Scuba Diving. Police officers, the city manager, or other employees of the city designated by the city manager to enforce skin diving and scuba diving regulations and control skin diving and scuba diving activities, may prohibit skin diving and scuba diving at any time diving conditions become hazardous as a result storm, congestion of persons, lack of proper equipment (such equipment to include mask, fins, snorkel, buoyancy compensator and diving partner), or other conditions which cause a present danger to the persons skin diving or scuba diving or to others. No person shall fail, refuse or neglect to stop skin diving or scuba diving activities or to leave the water when ordered to do so by any such employee of the city. (Ord. 1157 Sec. 1, 1988: Ord. 506 (part), 1962)."
So, how often is anyone able to sneak into the water undetected and unchallenged there? What about the rest of Orange County? Just curious. I'll be there next month and was thinking I'd need to post on this forum to look for a dive buddy. Maybe I still should?
Also, I am wondering which parts of the ordinance go back to the original 1962 ordinance. I understand the 1962 ordinance was the result of negotiations between the divers and the city (which intended to ban diving altogether).





Ever heard of "socialized medicine"?! That's where tax payers get to pay for everyone else's problems. Socialized medicine is used as the arguement to pass helmet and seatbelt laws. (I wear a helmets and seatbelts by choice. The laws are evil IMO, not the concepts). Laws are SUPPOSED to protect liberty, but socialized medicine has provided the loophole. One evil leads to another.

We don't have "socialized medicine" in the USA, in Canada yes but not here. If you don't have insurance you're SOL unless you get treatment from a sub par, not-for-profit research hospital. With solialized medicine you're treated regarless of supplmental insurance. In Canada you only need insurance to cover prescriptions, dental visits, and supplemental health insurance for improved care / service. This still shouldn't matter. More people are killed driving while picking their nose (I can't back that up, but you get the point) than scuba diving incidents. 1 more notch in the goverment's belt for the "Pussification of America".

 

[duckbill]

We don't have "socialized medicine" in the USA, in Canada yes but not here. If you don't have insurance you're SOL unless you get treatment from a sub par, not-for-profit research hospital.

Semantics, my friend. We don't have it in name, but when society is forced to pay the bills for those who can't (whether paying 1% or 100%), that is a quality of socialism. When I see the druggies from the 'other side of the river' at the ER being treated for their overdoses I highly doubt they are footing their own bills.
It is my understanding that one of the main arguements used to pass the helmet law here in the People's Republic of California was because of the supposed burden on the State for the long-term medical and homecare expenses of motorcyclists who sustained more severe and permanent head injuries due to the lack of the use of helmets.
This same arguement cannot really be used to validate the passage of solo diving ordinances. An accident involving solo diving would more likely result in death rather than some long-term medical condition which may become a financial burden on the "State". So I rescind my correlation of solo diving ordinances to other "Big Brother knows best" laws.
The bottom line is that we agree that solo diving ordinances are in violation of individual liberties.
Anyhow, this isn't a political forum. My use of the term "socialized medicine" was by the practical, generic definition, not some governmental title.

 

[duckbill]

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Sorry your question got burried, Berdman.
I hope someone can answer it for you.

Anyone know about wisconsin???

 

[Petedives]

I know on Kauai where I got certified there was no ordinance about 'solo diving',
and if there was, nobody would listen to it/there's not enough personnel to enforce
it. I dove solo at Tunnels Reef probably 30 times in about 4 weeks just to beef up
my experience as a diver, and get more comfortable with diving in general. I
started right after I got my PADI Openwater temp, and did it with non-redundant,
but brand-new tip-top gear.

Would I still do it with a pony and redundancy? Ya damn skippy. I know the site
like the back of my hand, day or night, with a small light. It's pretty shallow, really
easy to maneuver around, and kinda like a big salty swimming pool with a lot of
reef. Would I do the same thing in SoCal?

Maybe not. I certainly wouldn't try the Zuma trench solo, although, in some cases,
I'd rather be solo than die because my buddy's a jackass. I almost got drowned by
a 'buddy' in the rescue diver class. I never drown myself, and I watch my gauges
constantly, and my gear's all tip-top, even still.

One thing that was really interesting to me is that when I talked about taking the
DM course with this one shop, I asked whether or not all these various dives I have
logged needed to be signed or not, because I dove/logged them solo and got the
(bull*****) response of 'Yeah, they do, otherwise, how do we know you didn't make
them all up?'. Sure, I could sign them all Barney Rubble, Fred Flinstone, etc, but
what's the point?

Peter

 

[duckbill]

One thing that was really interesting to me is that when I talked about taking the
DM course with this one shop, I asked whether or not all these various dives I have
logged needed to be signed or not, because I dove/logged them solo and got the
(bull*****) response of 'Yeah, they do, otherwise, how do we know you didn't make
them all up?'. Sure, I could sign them all Barney Rubble, Fred Flinstone, etc, but
what's the point?

Peter

EXCELLENT POINT! Did you mention this to them- that you could just have easily made bogus signatures had you wanted to be dishonest?
Someday the PADI Police will require all PADI divers to have embedded, scanable barcodes with depth detectors in their arms, and bar code scanners with date/time stamps securely attached to the log books with a tamper-proof seal! Oh, and if your buddy wasn't PADI certified, that dive wouldn't count either!
Maybe see if other agencies are as irrational. Couldn't you get your DM through NAUI , or SSI, or ....?

 

[duckbill]

You know....I just realized that this thread has "sticky" status for the sole purpose of the original question-

"Question, should we have a post attached to the solo divers forum indicating the known state and city ordinances for solo diving........might save someone some bucks!"

I'm guilty of treating it like a general solo diving ordinance rant page. I apologize for my part.

"Berdmen"s quesion is the last relevent post along the intended line of discussion:

"Anyone know about wisconsin???"

 

[Berdman]

You know....I just realized that this thread has "sticky" status for the sole purpose of the original question-

"Question, should we have a post attached to the solo divers forum indicating the known state and city ordinances for solo diving........might save someone some bucks!"

I'm guilty of treating it like a general solo diving ordinance rant page. I apologize for my part.

"Berdmen"s quesion is the last relevent post along the intended line of discussion:

"Anyone know about wisconsin???"

I asked my scuba instructor and he says there is no laws agents it. He also said he solo dives a lot him self.

 

[NorthernDM]

Anyone know about Michigan?