Should they require swimming for OW certificate?

Should swimming be a requirement for OW?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

    Votes: 216 84.7%
  • No, if snorkel/fin can be substituted.

    Votes: 38 14.9%
  • I have no opinion on this.

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • It depends on the quality of the scuba gear.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    255

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fisherdvm:
I think it is to make more money for the certifying organization.

Not just the agency. The shops make more money and the equipment manufacturers make more money.

Why would someone who can't swim or isn't comfortable in the water consider diving? Because the agency, the shops and the instructors tell them that they'll be fine. They can even take their 10 year old diving with them. These people doing the talking have put themselves in a position where they are assumed to be the experts. Why shouldn't people believe them?
 
Swimming to a point should be a manditory requirment. Not doing laps in record time. but being able to get to point A- B without drowning per say..
What is overlooked is overal fitness. Folks whom have a hard time going up a flight of stairs are being certified OW.

Overal fitness...is what is lacking in any certification. Does not matter if yo are 100lb or 300 lbs..you should be in a condition where your not gasping for air after putting on your scuba gear.

In one Open Water class I was DM'ing...there was a large guy. Very nive guy...tried very hard at all the skills. Did them well in the water. Strong as an OX. He struggled with the diver tow and the snorkel out to the drop point. The main problem was getting him in. He was huffing after he put on his wesuit. Huffing more to put his BC on...it took two DM's to get this guy in...and OUT...
 
Swimming ability is simply a surrogate for assessing a potential diver's condition, but also a very relevant one for the activity in question. Overall fitness is important, although no one needs to be a marathon runner or Olympic weight lifter... just demonstrate that they aren't going to put an overwhelming burden on their ticker if they dive.

Someone who gets winded just putting on gear raises an immediate red flag for me. I see them at the local dive park all too frequently. I'm approaching 60 and while not in the condition I was in my teens (when I was a competitive swimmer) or 30's (when I was a distance runner), I can carry my HP120, pony bottle and 36# of lead with relative ease.

I may change my mind on this issue as I approach 80! I hope some of my lovely dive buddies will still be diving with me so they can help "the old man" into the water!!
 
Hockeynut:
So someone who can't swim can't have someone who can save them, and someone with a disability can.

You’re missing the point here. A non swimming diver may or at least should have a buddy that hopefully can swim. Just the everyday non-swimmer is what I’m opposed to becoming a diver. Take the time to learn the skill.

Matt, in no way falls into that category. He has a support team that could fill a cattle boat with everyone’s attention directed only at him.

My wife is another example. She can swim quite well but we have to suit her up and toss her in. ;) Will she ever dive with the general diving population? No! She will only dive with me or two others who know exactly what her limitations are and what she needs.

There is a big difference between someone who just can’t swim and divers with special needs.

Gary D.
 
Just wondering if a pool swim test tells me anything about how a "diver" would handle swimming back to a boat or staying on the surface long enough for the boat to come back to them if they fell overboard.

I personaly think that all student/experienced divers should be able to swim and freedive.
 
Was lean and mean several years back, did a bunch a diving in the early days (70's) and continued off and on for almost 30 years. Some of the divers back then, which included my dive instructor, used no BC's at all, maybe a Mae West, they swam constanty, when we took our OW we did the pool lap thing, around 300 meters no gear, then we tried the hold your breath for a lenght of the pool thing, we also did a 100 meter demonstrating the different swimming strokes we knew, all of this was just to get a good base line of fit and finish, those who needed it, swam everyday before and after classes, then we hit the ocean and swam around in equipment forever, or least it seemed that way. No one in my class was a weak swimmer not even close, don't know if it was any kind of PADI requirement, but it was the requirement imposed by or instructor. NOW, I'm an older FAT GUY, who has been away from diving for several years and let myself get out of shape, however I remember the old days and the swimming that was involved and before I even put back on any scuba gear I hit the pool working myself to 1000 meters twice a week with mask, fins and snorkel, not a leisurely swim either, as fast and as hard as I can push. It's not that scuba diving requires one to be an olympic swimmer on the contrary most of my dives have involved very little hard nose swimming, key word here is most, but just a few (you really only need one) have been, shall I say a bit south of difficult, you truly never know what lies beneath. I won't knowingly dive with a weak swimmer, but I will come to thier rescue if possible. I still perfer to do the rescuing vice being rescued, I'm kinda funny that way. Dive well and Dive often, life is short!:14:
 

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