Should a second stage always be attached to air before even light rinsing?

[matt_unique]

Matt is right and every LDS in the whole world is wrong! Realy now,have you ever seen a LDS reattach a reg to a tank to wash it? Of course you have to take into accouant that he thinks bayliners are a quality boat
Kevin, can you respond to anything without bragging about diving doubles?:shakehead
It aint that tough.

Ha ha, all the LDS's in the world would be tough to quantify. But remember it was one of my LDS's that taught me the virtue of rinsing on pressure.

Let's consider some other examples. Take a set of doubles into all the shops in the world and note how many proceed to lift them via the center of the manifold. While you're at it, ask them about the bp/w as an alternative to the bc's they sell. Then come back and report how "every LDS in the world" fares with these examples. So yeah, the 30 lifetime dive employee at the LDS may not be an expert in all things, including the proper technique for rinsing your regs in a way that guarantees no water will enter the first/second stage.

I purchased a $20 plastic bin from Walmart that allows me to soak all my gear at once including double tanks with both regulators attached and pressurized.

What Bayliner have you personally owned and maintained? Tell me about your mariner qualifications again? My experience with Bayliner comes from ownership and hard use in New England.

--Matt

 

[SteveAD]

Matt is right and every LDS in the whole world is wrong! Realy now,have you ever seen a LDS reattach a reg to a tank to wash it? Of course you have to take into accouant that he thinks bayliners are a quality boat
Kevin, can you respond to anything without bragging about diving doubles?:shakehead
It aint that tough.

Just chiming in as as one LDS owner who practices and preaches the rinse while pressurized philosophy. So it is not "every" LDS that disagrees with matt.

 

[RonFrank]

Leave it to the good folks at SB to put everything under a microscope!

99.999% of DiveOps, Dive Shops, and divers rinse both the first and second stages while NOT under pressure. There is a reason for the dust cap, and it's NOT dust! If it was they would not be made out of soft rubber to form a water tight seal over the first stage port.

It's impractical, or even impossible to always rinse regs under pressure. You're on the boat, and dumped off at a dock, then the boat is off to dump more divers at the next pier. Where is that darn tank anyway, ohhh yeah, it's on the boat! Or the OP maybe unloading tanks and rushing to get them filled for PM divers, or whatever.

The fact is, most travelers must use rental tanks, and they are not available for gear rinsing. Another funny thought is what would it be like if 10 divers were attempting to all rinse their regs WITH tanks attached! :shakehead

As to matt_unique, why would the tech assume you rinse with a dustcap on when it is MUCH more likely you failed to put the dustcap on during a rinse? I've certainly watched divers do exactly that.

Maybe a better question is, how often does one replace the dust cap. Mine is still soft and in good shape after a few years, but I'm betting most never get replaced, and they really should be. It can't be an expensive part!

For those that are telling people to always rinse under pressure, what is your solution on how to accomplish this while traveling. I can think of one easy solution, my little pony. As I travel with one, I could rinse under pressure, but don't. However the world is not going to rush out and purchase pony bottles, so how do you rinse under pressure in all situations for the average, non pony diving diver dude, and dudess?

 

[diver 85]

matt unique, I guess it depends on which part of the country you're in......Here in La., I personally know of 2 marine dealership that will not take Bayliner's in on a trade.....My only question is why???......Just food for thought.....

 

[jd950]

Well, in my very limited experience, I have several times had crew on a boat remove the regs from the tanks and hand them up to me to take to the rinse barrel while leaving the tanks on the boat, or I've been told to take my reg off the tank and take it with me to the dock, or some variation of this theme. The rinse barrel has usually been a tall, fairly narrow plastic barrel or a small tub. Short of demanding that I take their tank with me to the dock there really was no way to rinse while pressurized that I could see.

Would be nice to have the option, though.

 

[matt_unique]

matt unique, I guess it depends on which part of the country you're in......Here in La., I personally know of 2 marine dealership that will not take Bayliner's in on a trade.....My only question is why???......Just food for thought.....

That's a good question, and truthfully I find it hard to believe. Bayliner has been the #1 selling brand of 17-23' boats in the US for something like 8 years. The dealerships you reference are loosing revenue to other dealerships if they will not take a certain brand for a trade.

If all the negative Bayliner press were actually true, they would be sinking more than other boats, involved in tons of lawsuits, and unable to sell boats. The parent company Brunswick would certainly dump a line if these things were true. They are in the business to make money.

Consumers don't start out with brand loyalty, it's learned through experience.

--Matt

PS In terms of rinsing on vacation, ask to borrow a spent tank and water hose at the LDS. Pony bottle offers a great solution if you have one on vacation. Worst case scenario, hold your finger on the first stage and do a light rise (not a dunk) in the bathroom sink. Upon return from vacation, do a good long soak submerged and under pressure.

 

[diver 85]

Well, in my very limited experience, I have several times had crew on a boat remove the regs from the tanks and hand them up to me to take to the rinse barrel while leaving the tanks on the boat, or I've been told to take my reg off the tank and take it with me to the dock, or some variation of this theme. The rinse barrel has usually been a tall, fairly narrow plastic barrel or a small tub. Short of demanding that I take their tank with me to the dock there really was no way to rinse while pressurized that I could see.

Would be nice to have the option, though.

I don't believe any of our regs have ever been rinsed while under pressure.....I just dry the dust cover off, replace it, then dip them if good fresh water....When I return home off a trip, I 'soak' them in the tub for a day or so & let them completely dry....I've been doing this since Dec of '85 & have had no problems(upgraded to the 2 we use now in '89, they are a SP & an Oceanic)