LOL!!!!!! You just signed up, and this is your first and only post????? Why do I think more than 1 shark is involved in this? You obviously don't know a thing about sharks OR scuba divers!
Shark Badly Bites Swimmer in Cancun Today
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A recent statement by the woman who was attacked (the victim), was quite clear that this was one animal.
The reason for my sign on in the fist place is to try to talk some sense into the diving community. I have done a couple of dives, and I enjoy it. But I don't sign onto this wholesale encouragement of dangerous diving seen on these dive forums. Comments by divers on this and other dive websites have either deflected blame toward the victim (swimming in the wrong water or taking pictures of the shark) are irresponsible. As are attempts to "protect" predatorial and aggressive creatures in areas directly adjacent to high population tourist areas. This is simply irresponsible in every way.
Human beings have every right, if not more, than animals, to enjoy the earth peacefully. That includes swimming in frotn of your hotel. Remember, we too are part of the earth's ecosystem, complete with our brains and our ability to alter said ecosystem (just like a beaver). The proper action is to discourage, not encourage, these dangerous animals from interacting too closely with humans. Diving with or feeding sharks near highly populated beaches was bound to result in this kind of tragedy, and I would not be at all surprised to see more of this until fishing is stepped up and the bull shark population is controlled or driven elsewhere.
To "protect" the breeding of sharks known for their aggression in shallow waters a stones throw from thousands of innocent human beings for the sake of a fun SCUBA dive is eco-ridiculousness of absurd proportions.
The reason for my sign on in the fist place is to try to talk some sense into the diving community. I have done a couple of dives, and I enjoy it. But I don't sign onto this wholesale encouragement of dangerous diving seen on these dive forums. Comments by divers on this and other dive websites have either deflected blame toward the victim (swimming in the wrong water or taking pictures of the shark) are irresponsible. As are attempts to "protect" predatorial and aggressive creatures in areas directly adjacent to high population tourist areas. This is simply irresponsible in every way.
Human beings have every right, if not more, than animals, to enjoy the earth peacefully. That includes swimming in frotn of your hotel. Remember, we too are part of the earth's ecosystem, complete with our brains and our ability to alter said ecosystem (just like a beaver). The proper action is to discourage, not encourage, these dangerous animals from interacting too closely with humans. Diving with or feeding sharks near highly populated beaches was bound to result in this kind of tragedy, and I would not be at all surprised to see more of this until fishing is stepped up and the bull shark population is controlled or driven elsewhere.
To "protect" the breeding of sharks known for their aggression in shallow waters a stones throw from thousands of innocent human beings for the sake of a fun SCUBA dive is eco-ridiculousness of absurd proportions.
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Hi jerryseinfeld. I take it you joined just to post here? Do you know the lady? I do hope the best for her.
I see one member has posted that she was dumb to be that close, but - I avoid speaking to that member. We don't get alone altho she doesn't mind posting to me. Since you are here and have given that opinion tho...
My daughter and grandsons were recently on a cruise that stopped in Cozumel where they went snorkling and I am very relieved it wasn't my kids who saw the shark as I have a hunch at least one of them would have tried to get closer - the one who picked up spiny urchins in the shallows and touched a fireworm. :shocked2: He doesn't listen to warnings.
Sharks seem to be much more common on the peninsula side of the channel than where we dive on the island. I know that some divers and operators like to dive with the Bulls, and a few feed them - which I do not support. I don't know that this practice encouraged this accident, but it is not natural and may lead to accidents.
The feeding may well have made the sharks more vulnerable, more likely to take hooked food near boats and at least one fishermen has taken many in recent months, much to the dismay of many.
There is another thread on this accident in Accidents forum http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/369405-shark-attack-cancun.html but we really do not know much really. If you have solid information, we'd like to know more as we try to learn to avoid similar problems. That linked thread might be more appropriate.
I see one member has posted that she was dumb to be that close, but - I avoid speaking to that member. We don't get alone altho she doesn't mind posting to me. Since you are here and have given that opinion tho...
My daughter and grandsons were recently on a cruise that stopped in Cozumel where they went snorkling and I am very relieved it wasn't my kids who saw the shark as I have a hunch at least one of them would have tried to get closer - the one who picked up spiny urchins in the shallows and touched a fireworm. :shocked2: He doesn't listen to warnings.
Sharks seem to be much more common on the peninsula side of the channel than where we dive on the island. I know that some divers and operators like to dive with the Bulls, and a few feed them - which I do not support. I don't know that this practice encouraged this accident, but it is not natural and may lead to accidents.
The feeding may well have made the sharks more vulnerable, more likely to take hooked food near boats and at least one fishermen has taken many in recent months, much to the dismay of many.
There is another thread on this accident in Accidents forum http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/369405-shark-attack-cancun.html but we really do not know much really. If you have solid information, we'd like to know more as we try to learn to avoid similar problems. That linked thread might be more appropriate.
Don is much more in control of himself as I. I also object to baiting sharks for the enjoyment of divers. However, the ocean is not our element....it belongs to the creatures that inhabit the sea. WE are invading their living space when we choose to invade their home. I feel for the woman who was mistaken for food, as I do for any swimmer or surfer who is mistaken as a turtle or other food sharks prey upon. BUT....it is a risk we all take when we enter an environment not of our own. If I were ever "attacked" by a shark, I would be dismayed if anyone killed sharks to see which one was the one that had eaten my leg, arm, or other appendage just to "get revenge" for what the shark was doing naturally. If a shark was going to attack a human being, their teeth are so sharp that there would be no evidence of an "attack" because they would chew and swallow us completely. However, once the shark has a "taste" of human flesh, they realize they don't like us as food and leave. But because of their sharp teeth, "victims" bleed out and die or become intensive care victims. Is the shark's fault or the human's? Neither. It is what it is, and we have to realize that accidents happen. The sharks aren't the bad guys, the swimmers aren't the bad guys, and the divers aren't the bad guys. Stuff happens!
This is what appeared in the local newspaper today. It's in spanish.
Interior de nota - Infobae.com
There is a pic of the injured woman also.
Interior de nota - Infobae.com
There is a pic of the injured woman also.
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An interesting perspective, however Sharks are generally mirauding creatures, and I would argue a shark has no claim more claim over a shallow bit of beachfront than a woman swimming in it does - they are simply two creatures temporarily visiting a piece of unclaimed real estate. To say otherwise would be to justify shooting a dog if happens to wander into your pond hockey game. No creature has claim that other is "invading" any piece of public space on god's green (or in this case blue) earth. All of that said, certainly a shark cannot be blamed for acting instinctively.
Killing sharks, hunting them down, or tagging them, has nothing to do with revenge or finding the "culpible" shark. It's about public safety.
You have to admit, while diving with wild sharks may be a unique thrill for some people, these people are in a small minority, and protecting an agressive species of predator at the risk of public safety (not to mention precarious mexican tourism economics!) strikes an odd balance.
I find it a unique position to take, suggesting that no action be taken to control shark attacks on public beaches, other than to say "hey - if you go in the water, you have it coming!". Sharks may be a beautiful beast in their own way, but they also happen to pose a menacing threat to innocent people.
Just because you happen to love africanized bees doesn't give you the right to encourage their breeding in the parkade of a shopping mall. If the bees become a problem and start killing people, you don't picket the mall for bee protection and blame people for shopping there. You do the right thing and bring in an exterminator.
Killing sharks, hunting them down, or tagging them, has nothing to do with revenge or finding the "culpible" shark. It's about public safety.
You have to admit, while diving with wild sharks may be a unique thrill for some people, these people are in a small minority, and protecting an agressive species of predator at the risk of public safety (not to mention precarious mexican tourism economics!) strikes an odd balance.
I find it a unique position to take, suggesting that no action be taken to control shark attacks on public beaches, other than to say "hey - if you go in the water, you have it coming!". Sharks may be a beautiful beast in their own way, but they also happen to pose a menacing threat to innocent people.
Just because you happen to love africanized bees doesn't give you the right to encourage their breeding in the parkade of a shopping mall. If the bees become a problem and start killing people, you don't picket the mall for bee protection and blame people for shopping there. You do the right thing and bring in an exterminator.
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Oh, I don't think we can long survive as a specie without the sharks, but I am afraid my grandchildren may see the effects. Sharks are a very important part of the ocean systems which are already suffering severely at our hand, but when they're wiped out - it'll get worse faster. And they are being eradicated at a alarming rates all over the world.
Yeah, the oceans belong to them and we visit as their discretion. As the surfers originally said, the biggest sharks are the landlords, and they will take their tolls. They're just not as deadly as US deer which accidentally kill many more than sharks worldwide.
Yeah, the oceans belong to them and we visit as their discretion. As the surfers originally said, the biggest sharks are the landlords, and they will take their tolls. They're just not as deadly as US deer which accidentally kill many more than sharks worldwide.
Jerryseinfeld
First, I hope for a full recovery regarding this incident with prayers for the family and friends...
Please let me say this; I am totally against shark feeding but there are others that enjoy it. I also disagree with Zoos (hate seeing animals in cages) but my wife loves them She goes, I dont Still love her none the less !
Reading your post you seem to have a great fear/contempt of sharks I wonder if you knew or were related to the victim in this attack or maybe you knew someone in the past that came under attack My initial fear of sharks came with watching Jaws way back when the movie first came out. It took a long time for me to go back into the ocean, long time Now, I just love seeing them on chance encounters !
This topic is more like politics and religion but here is where I stand when wildlife and humans cross paths In an earlier post you stated
Here is the problem With our brains and thanks to thumbs we are able to find work and provide for our families. Those Mountain Lions up in the Santa Rosa Mountains are not punching a clock They as well as all forms of life are fighting for survival each and every day When a Cougar kills or mangles a hiker out in the wild, is the Cougar really at fault or just trying to survive? I will say the Cougar is without fault!!! We, the human race, the ones with the brains are as much at fault as the wild animal if not more so This is a stance that I am unwilling to compromise on Not a tree hugger but I will not fault a wild animal when we are in their territory I have yet to see a Shark walk out of the ocean and punch a clock to provide for its family
Not trying to be a smart a$$... This balance of nature has survived for a heck of a long time and its not until man decides what is best that the balance becomes unbalanced We screw everything up and for some reason we cant help ourselves!!!
Question for you; how many people worldwide went into the ocean last year and were injured by a shark?
Mountain Lions in the Santa Rosa Mountains, from 1890-1990 hardly a handful (4), 1992-2007, more than 10. The further we push into their area the more attacks there are (in all fairness, the list may not become somewhat accurate until the last 40-50 years)
List of Mountain Lion Attacks On People in California
Let me put this another way... If I was walking down a street in Dallas and was attacked by a Polar Bear well, that would be tragic (at least to me it would be) but if I was out fishing out on the polar ice cap and was attacked by a Polar Bear well, then its shame on me cause there was a chance for an accident to happen... Just my thoughts on this...
Blaming the woman...? Not me... I just won't blame the Shark!!!
First, I hope for a full recovery regarding this incident with prayers for the family and friends...
Please let me say this; I am totally against shark feeding but there are others that enjoy it. I also disagree with Zoos (hate seeing animals in cages) but my wife loves them She goes, I dont Still love her none the less !
Reading your post you seem to have a great fear/contempt of sharks I wonder if you knew or were related to the victim in this attack or maybe you knew someone in the past that came under attack My initial fear of sharks came with watching Jaws way back when the movie first came out. It took a long time for me to go back into the ocean, long time Now, I just love seeing them on chance encounters !
This topic is more like politics and religion but here is where I stand when wildlife and humans cross paths In an earlier post you stated
Jerryseinfeld:
Here is the problem With our brains and thanks to thumbs we are able to find work and provide for our families. Those Mountain Lions up in the Santa Rosa Mountains are not punching a clock They as well as all forms of life are fighting for survival each and every day When a Cougar kills or mangles a hiker out in the wild, is the Cougar really at fault or just trying to survive? I will say the Cougar is without fault!!! We, the human race, the ones with the brains are as much at fault as the wild animal if not more so This is a stance that I am unwilling to compromise on Not a tree hugger but I will not fault a wild animal when we are in their territory I have yet to see a Shark walk out of the ocean and punch a clock to provide for its family
Not trying to be a smart a$$... This balance of nature has survived for a heck of a long time and its not until man decides what is best that the balance becomes unbalanced We screw everything up and for some reason we cant help ourselves!!!
Question for you; how many people worldwide went into the ocean last year and were injured by a shark?
Mountain Lions in the Santa Rosa Mountains, from 1890-1990 hardly a handful (4), 1992-2007, more than 10. The further we push into their area the more attacks there are (in all fairness, the list may not become somewhat accurate until the last 40-50 years)
List of Mountain Lion Attacks On People in California
Let me put this another way... If I was walking down a street in Dallas and was attacked by a Polar Bear well, that would be tragic (at least to me it would be
) but if I was out fishing out on the polar ice cap and was attacked by a Polar Bear well, then its shame on me cause there was a chance for an accident to happen... Just my thoughts on this...Blaming the woman...? Not me... I just won't blame the Shark!!!
Just an FYI on shark attacks....
ISAF Statistics for the World Locations with the Highest Shark Attack Activity (2000-2010)
ISAF Statistics for the World Locations with the Highest Shark Attack Activity (2000-2010)
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This pretty much tells you all you need to know about this troll.
People with this attitude are a big part of the problem.
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