Shallow diving with metal detector, advise needed

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Hi guys,
i have been metal detecting in the Mediterranean for a few years and want to go one step further and detect with scuba gear at between 7 and 10 feet.
i have a few questions.
1. How long would a dive tank last at this depth?
2. Should I have training beforehand?
3. What size tanks should I buy?
4. Are there any dangers at this depth?
5. Can you refill the tanks at home with a compressor?

Many thanks in advance
john
 
Get certified and the training should answer your questions.
Yes, you can buy a compressor and fill your own tanks but its maintenance is frequently both more difficult (esp. for older, used compressors) and more expensive (filters) than most people anticipate.
 
2. Should I have training beforehand?
ABSOLUTELY. Even in quite shallow water, there are risks associated with breathing compressed air. The most serious of which is lung over-expansion, even death.
Also, most sources of air will require a certification.

You should learn about most of your other questions during your training, but:

1. How long would a dive tank last at this depth? – It depends. Can be up to hours – likely much less in the beginning, and especially if you are exerting.

3. What size tanks should I buy? – It depends. How much time do you require on a single tank? How heavy/large a tank are you willing to carry?

4. Are there any dangers at this depth? Yes, including currents, entrapment, hypothermia, etc.

5. Can you refill the tanks at home with a compressor? Yes, but the cost/benefit trade-off of the high-pressure compressors needed for scuba depends on your usage.

Many of your decisions would also depend on the conditions where you intend to search. What you intend might go beyond what a recreational scuba certification qualifies you for. e.g. will you be diving alone? That is definitely not recommended for beginners.

Caution is seldom unwarranted.
 
You might want to check with a local dive club about laws involving artifacts in the ocean. In most cases the laws change when you go in the ocean. Because shipwrecks are considered potentially valuable archeological sites. You may find that local laws become very restrictive, so I would check out with locals what the rules are.
 
You might want to check with a local dive club about laws involving artifacts in the ocean. In most cases the laws change when you go in the ocean. Because shipwrecks are considered potentially valuable archeological sites. You may find that local laws become very restrictive, so I would check out with locals what the rules are.

You definitely want to check the local laws. Diving was mostly banned in Greece for years because of fear of the antiquities being stolen on the sea floor. I've heard of equipment confiscations occurring. I'll be diving in the eastern Aegean in September and some areas are closed to diving.
 
I dive in the Eastern Med half a dozen or so times a month and have done for the last few years. Diving, along with spear fishing, is very common in Cyprus, Crete, Rhodes, Turkey and Greece, but all have laws related to the removal of antiquities from the sea bed.

A number of marine parks, or antiquities parks have been designated and in these diving without a permit is prohibited, and in some the ban is quite well monitored and enforced. It is probably worth mentioning that in many of these places you probably will not receive European or US standards of rights and treatment if checked or arrested so it is well worth thinking hard before doing anything the authorities might want to take issue with.

I echo what people above have said, get some training, in this case you really do not know what you do not know! - and some of those things you should know can get you seriously hurt even in shallow water. Also depending on where you dive, you don't say where in the Med, in some places it is the countries law that you have to have a dive qualification - for example in France, and France has a Mediterranean coast, by statute you have to be qualified through their system (CMAS) or accompanied by someone who is, in order to dive, so you cannot just go off and dive in French waters without a cert. OK - I know many people who do not comply with this, and it may not be well enforced, but sods law is you will be the one time it was !

Finally I am fairly certain an off the shelf detector is probably not sealed well enough to use underwater, rainproof etc just won't cut it and pressure increases quite quickly at shallow depths.

So if you want to do this get some training, but check out that what you want to do is legal and won't get you into trouble you can't handle. - Good luck - Phil.
 
I'm very active in metal detecting and recently got certified and went diving and metal detecting a few times.
My experienced metal detecting diving friends can get almost 3 hours out of a steel tank per dive. I got about 90 minutes.
Most gold jewelry is in water under 15' where the swimmers and wave movements have deposited the gold.
Even at that shallow depth - you need scuba training and it isn't that easy to detect and recover the target which is sometimes 8-10" buried.
Go get scuba certified - you'll be much more comfortable and happy that you did!
 
Hi guys,
i have been metal detecting in the Mediterranean for a few years and want to go one step further and detect with scuba gear at between 7 and 10 feet.
i have a few questions.
1. How long would a dive tank last at this depth?
Depends on multiple factors, Training will teach you this.
Ultimately we can feed you the generic answers, but they will be wrong given a certain environmental and your own biological health condition during the dive.

2. Should I have training beforehand?
Yes, you should.
3. What size tanks should I buy?
Depends on multiple situations revolving around your dive plan. Get trained to understand your answer to the question.
4. Are there any dangers at this depth?
Hold your breath in 4ft of water and surface and you're dead. There's different dangers the deeper you go and there are different levels of danger and risk depending on your dive environment and your dive plan.
Get trained to hear more

5. Can you refill the tanks at home with a compressor?
Yes, but you need a dedicated human air consumption compressor for scuba specifically. That means air that is dehumidified and filtered to minumum US Grade E or the Euro Equivalent.

Many thanks in advance
john

See Red answers above.
More importantly, after you get Basic Scuba certification, get some specialty training that revolves around salvage, digging, and zero visibility. As metal detecting and recovering underwater can involve both at some level.
 
I will mostly echo what others have said in this thread.

1. Many factors plays a part in this, what size of tank? what pressure rating? your surface air consumption rate? depth? workload? all will be covered in your initial ow training

2. Yes! there are many things to know and hidden dangers to be aware of, even on shallow dives, many potential problems is not directly from the depth you are at, but the fact you are breathing compressed air at a higher pressure than atmospheric pressure, most notably of problems is lung overexpansion injury, also things like entanglement, hypothermia, panic attacks, disorientation because of bad vis and claustrophobic attack. An another factor is as a fresh diver, especially without any training, will be task loaded no mater what, and throwing in something like a metal detector into the mix and you have to deal with things like stress, high air consumption, going low on breathing gas and so forth. Even at a depth of 10 feet the pressure will be around 30% higher then at the surface, meaning the the air you breath at depth will expand 30% when you ascending, the difference between your vital lung capacity (around 4.5 liters) and your total lung capacity (around 6 liters) is around 25%, meaning an uncontrolled ascent, because of a panic attack, out of air situation or other reasons from that depth, have the potential to pop your lungs like two overfilled balloons.

3. Again depends on a lot of factors, that will be covered in your ow training.

4. yes, see answer "2"

5. Yes, if you have a compressor capable of delivering compressed air in the 200bar-300bar range, of breathing quality air, those compressors are expensive, requires regular filter changes, regular air analyzes and maintenance, we are talking 1000s of $ for the compressor, and 100s of $ in maintenance, your run of the mill hardware shop compressor capable of 10-20 bars of non-breathable air won't cut it
 
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Hi guys,
i have been metal detecting in the Mediterranean for a few years and want to go one step further and detect with scuba gear at between 7 and 10 feet.
i have a few questions.
1. How long would a dive tank last at this depth?
2. Should I have training beforehand?
3. What size tanks should I buy?
4. Are there any dangers at this depth?
5. Can you refill the tanks at home with a compressor?

Many thanks in advance
john

1. Untill empty. (This you will (hopefully) learn in a class)
2. Yes
3. Big enough for your use. You will learn what you need in a class.
4. Yes! Many! Especially at this depth!
5. Yes.
 

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